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supreme trader

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Incandescent SoulstokeEnlarge

Incandescent Soulstoke

{2}{R}

Creature — Elemental Shaman

Lorwyn

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Other Elemental creatures you control get +1/+1. {1}{R}, {T}: You may put an Elemental creature card from your hand onto the battlefield. That creature gains haste until end of turn. Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step.

2/2

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Supreme Exemplar

{6}{U}

Creature — Elemental

Morningtide

Read rules for Supreme Exemplar
Flying Champion an Elemental (When this enters, sacrifice it unless you exile another Elemental you control. When this leaves the battlefield, that card returns to the battlefield.)

10/10

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Date Posted: Wed Jul/21/10 at 9:45 pm

Captain_Joe
Posts: 80
Joined: 20-Jul-10

does this work? trade supreme exemplar (or any other big elemental) to yourself? i know it works with cards like mark of mutiny.
Date Posted: Wed Jul/21/10 at 9:48pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

It should still die.
Date Posted: Wed Jul/21/10 at 10:38pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

I'm confused... Is he saying that changing control prevents sacrificing?
Date Posted: Thu Jul/22/10 at 12:17am

Tralis
Posts: 6
Joined: 25-Jun-10

Not sure what you're asking, but i can tell you what this will do: You use the soulstokes ability to play the exemplar, you still have to champion something. Bazaar trader will do nothing but give your opponent a blocker until the end of turn, but it'll lose the +1/+1. The trader can't stop it from being sacrificed and even if it could you'd still have an exiled creature and no way to bring it back. Also, exemplar has to enter the battlefield before it can be traded so it's not like you can force them to exile a creature for it.  Not sure what you were trying to do here, but that's all i can think up.
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Date Posted: Thu Jul/22/10 at 3:48am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

I'm really confused here...
Date Posted: Thu Jul/22/10 at 7:27am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

This won't work. It's as simple as that.
Date Posted: Thu Jul/22/10 at 8:32am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

If you add otherworldly journey, you can exile it and bring it back into play as a new object (meaning you won't need to sacrifice it).
Date Posted: Thu Jul/22/10 at 8:34am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

But yes, Bazaar Trader won't do anything for you.

It brings up an interesting question about whether your opponent has to sacrifice the creature if you gave the elemental to him or her though.
Date Posted: Thu Jul/22/10 at 8:38am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Incandescent Soulstoke and Otherworldly Journey would go well with Walker of the Grove. You would be able to get 2 creatures out for 4 mana.
Date Posted: Thu Jul/22/10 at 9:06am

Captain_Joe
Posts: 80
Joined: 20-Jul-10

so by trading supreme exemplar to yourself you wont be able to not sacrifice it?
Date Posted: Thu Jul/22/10 at 11:20am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

It will still be sacrificed.
Date Posted: Thu Jul/22/10 at 7:44pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

That was i'm saying from the start...
Date Posted: Thu Jul/22/10 at 9:06pm

Tralis
Posts: 6
Joined: 25-Jun-10

I don't get how you'd be able to trade it back. You can only trade things you control, not own. At least i think that's how it works.
Date Posted: Thu Jul/22/10 at 10:42pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Brand is really the only card that deals with cards you own.
Date Posted: Thu Jul/22/10 at 11:10pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

tralis-  the trader says target player not opponent so you can trade it to yourself.  In most cases this would do nothing, however, in case of stealing creatures such as through act of treason, trading it to your self will allow you to keep it.