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murderous order

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Murderous Redcap

{2}{B/R}{B/R}

Creature — Goblin Assassin

Shadowmoor

Read rules for Murderous Redcap
When this creature enters, it deals damage equal to its power to any target. Persist (When this creature dies, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner's control with a -1/-1 counter on it.)

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Date Posted: Wed Jul/21/10 at 2:22 pm

Captain_Joe
Posts: 80
Joined: 20-Jul-10

let murderous redcap deal damage to itself. +1/+1 counters and -1/-1 counters cancel each other. give juniper order ranger trample.
Date Posted: Wed Jul/21/10 at 5:18pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I have seen Juniper Order Ranger used many times with Persist, but not in such a simple form.
Date Posted: Wed Jul/21/10 at 6:46pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

I think i've already seen this one... maybe with a sac engine or something...
Date Posted: Fri Jul/23/10 at 12:52am

Keldor
Posts: 23
Joined: 12-Jul-10

Im not sure if this will work !

Because when it gets an -1/-1 counter and when it enters the +1/+1 counter. These two counter negeate each other but are still on this creature. When the goblin is killed again, it has a -1 counter and doesnt return !
Date Posted: Fri Jul/23/10 at 12:55am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

no this works, when a +1/+1 counter and  -1/-1 counter are on the same creature, they cancel each other out and the creature ends up with no counters
Date Posted: Fri Jul/23/10 at 4:53am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Post the rules saying that, so he understands...
Date Posted: Sat Jul/24/10 at 1:01am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

per shakii wish

120.2. If a permanent has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter on it, N +1/+1 and N -1/-1 counters are removed from it as a state-based action, where N is the smaller of the number of +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters on it.
Date Posted: Sun Jul/25/10 at 8:23pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

There... i think he got the point...