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Combo Name: Fast Black Mana Submitted By: Ephemerance
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Witch Engine
 Summon Horror 5B 4/4 Urza's Saga, Rare

Freed from the Real
 Enchant Creature 2U Saviors of Kamigawa, Common

Blood Celebrant
 Creature - Cleric B 1/1 Legions, Common
Estimated Combo Cost: $0.86
Date Posted: Sun Jul/18/10 at 4:47 am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Add 4 black to your mana pool. Before the second ability resolves from the stack, convert a black to blue and untap the creature with freed from the real, then add another 4 black mana to your mana pool and repeat.

Fast cast the witch engine with entomb and exhume


[Edited by Ephemerance on 18/Jul/10 at 5:04AM]
Date Posted: Sun Jul/18/10 at 4:58am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09



Or, use this with the Witch engine.


[Edited by Ephemerance on 18/Jul/10 at 5:02AM]
Date Posted: Sun Jul/18/10 at 9:16am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Witch Engine is a strange card that seems to be hard to use in a combo.
Date Posted: Sun Jul/18/10 at 11:49am

mqj
Posts: 7
Joined: 25-Jun-10

This doesn't work. Witch Engine has two abilities. One static ability: Swampwalk.
One activated ability. The activated ability resolves atomically and
there is no opportunity to perform any actions in between adding mana to
your mana pool and target opponent gaining control of it.
Date Posted: Sun Jul/18/10 at 3:00pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I'm not entirely sure about this, but don't you pay the cost, then the ability activates. For example, Dispelling a Harrow makes them still sacrifice the land.
Date Posted: Sun Jul/18/10 at 3:24pm

wurtnik
Posts: 342
Joined: 08-May-10

: Add to your mana pool. Target opponent gains control of Witch Engine. is one ability.

when you tap, other spells/abilities can be put on the stack. but as soon as this is the top of the stack and starts to resolve you have to resolve the whole ability before anything else can be added.

you cant take the BBBB and untap halfway through and repeat.
Date Posted: Sun Jul/18/10 at 5:46pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I was thinking of it in the wrong way.
Date Posted: Sun Jul/18/10 at 7:24pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Let's consult the experts... anyone?
Date Posted: Sun Jul/18/10 at 7:47pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Zark?
Date Posted: Sun Jul/18/10 at 9:46pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Gericault?
Date Posted: Mon Jul/19/10 at 3:07am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Alright, so I was looking this over and comparing it to Goblin Cannon. Apparently, yes you would have to put it on the stack before you'd get a chance to really touch the mana. However, let's assume for a minute that you're attacking someone and you have 4 black mana untapped, you could essentially get 12 black mana (because you'll have to use 4 from the original 16 to boost) from the creature by placing the ability on the stack and then in reaction untapping and placing another event on the stack above it.

So, yes, you're right, you can't just get an infinite mana combo going from this, but what you can do is hit someone hard who is using swamps. Just declare attack with it, and wait for the abilities to resolve so you have the 12 black mana in your manapool, you can boost the creature with an enchantment already attached to it like this:



It will be attacking them, even when they gain control of it, and you can boost it. Take about losing by a creature you control.

If you add Urbog, Tomb of Yawgmoth, you will always be able to attack directly, and you could use your islands for the ability as well.
Date Posted: Mon Jul/19/10 at 4:17am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

An answer coming from an unexpected source... LOL... Just kidding Emph...
Date Posted: Mon Jul/19/10 at 8:24am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

What is wrong with the people in the Junkyo Bell picture?
Date Posted: Mon Jul/19/10 at 6:39pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

So, you're a monk now?
Date Posted: Mon Jul/19/10 at 6:39pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

What???
Date Posted: Mon Jul/19/10 at 10:41pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Those are monks right?



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