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Combo Name: WHat wAS YOURS IS NOW MINE Submitted By: hunter_raine
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
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Mageta the Lion
 Creature - Spellshaper Legend 3WW 3/3 Prophecy, Rare

Hymn of Rebirth
 Sorcery 3WG Ice Age, Uncommon

Radiate
 Instant 3RR Torment, Rare
Estimated Combo Cost: $1.89
Date Posted: Sat Jul/03/10 at 12:50 pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10


Date Posted: Sat Jul/03/10 at 12:58pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Is a card in a graveyard a permanent?
Date Posted: Sat Jul/03/10 at 1:41pm

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

You are correct Turbine, permanents are only on battlefield.
Date Posted: Sat Jul/03/10 at 2:23pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Caps lock is bad for your health.
Date Posted: Sat Jul/03/10 at 2:33pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Think more about combos before posting them.
Date Posted: Sat Jul/03/10 at 2:54pm

ParadoxRemix
Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

Not all players understand MTG in it's entirety. Things like this are a good learning experience for them.

If you're looking for a good way to use Radiate, try it with something that will benefit you regardless of the target, such as a spell with lifegain like Lightning Helix, or card drawing like Electrolyze. Also try to keep the cost on the spell you're going to Radiate as low as possible. Combos that cost 10 mana are often unreliable.
Date Posted: Sat Jul/03/10 at 2:55pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Electrolyze is amazing with Radiate!
Date Posted: Sun Jul/04/10 at 9:43pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

So it should be a permanent huh? How about pump spells like Might of Oaks?
Date Posted: Fri Jul/30/10 at 7:51pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

first off turbine, enough b.s. harassment, ok, you slam all my combos, usually the fist person to post too. Second i get maybe 4 hours sleep a night, and work 12 a day 6 day a week,  so usually im not with it all the time,so back off if my combos usually are weak, most of them are copies from this site with a card added, or one removed and replaced with a cheaper version. so......be nice, you'll live a healthier life.


[Edited by hunter_raine on 30/Jul/10 at 7:52PM]

[Edited by hunter_raine on 30/Jul/10 at 7:52PM]
Date Posted: Sun Aug/01/10 at 7:38pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Turbine, you never ceased to amaze me... Even when you're out... Hahaha..
Date Posted: Tue Aug/03/10 at 3:18am

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

oh, and btw, ive been playing since unlimited, so gather facts before saying things
Date Posted: Tue Aug/03/10 at 5:21am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Unli? Wow... Another MtG veteran... What's your first deck, dude?
Date Posted: Tue Aug/03/10 at 8:05am

Whiplash732
Posts: 38
Joined: 02-Aug-10

Im not impressed... ive been playing on and off since 95
Date Posted: Tue Aug/03/10 at 12:34pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Maybe it is just that his avatar irritates me.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/03/10 at 6:46pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Well, some players are not very combo-oriented as for me, ever since I played MtG, I'm very combo oriented...
Date Posted: Tue Aug/03/10 at 10:25pm

Draco_lich
Posts: 1073
Joined: 07-May-10

this combo is brutally effective... and works well if you can get the mana *points at eldrazi spawn tokens*

cards in graveyards are considered permanants in the graveyard if they are something that stays on the board when cast successfully from the hand. or cards like

A permanent is anything that stays in play until removed by sending it to its owner's graveyard or hand, or removed from play.
A permanent is only a permanent if it is in play. If a card's rules text refers to a 'permanent card,' it is referring to a card with one of the following card types: creature, land, artifact, enchantment or planeswalker. For example, Vindicate reads, 'destroys target permanent.' The player can target permanent in play. Nature's Spiral reads, 'return target permanent card from your graveyard to your hand.' The player can target a card in his graveyard only if it has a permanent card type. If Nature's Spiral read, 'return target permanent from your graveyard to your hand,' it wouldn't work because permanents have to be in play in order to be permanents.

from http://mtg.wikia.com/wiki/Permanent
Date Posted: Wed Aug/04/10 at 4:54am

ParadoxRemix
Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

Radiate doesn't say permanent card. Radiate says permanent. The combo doesn't work. Go elsewhere with your shabby rules understanding please.
Date Posted: Wed Aug/04/10 at 5:01am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Yeah! Paradox Remix FTW!
Date Posted: Mon Aug/09/10 at 8:12pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

ok so ditch radiate, bad choice, fork, or something of the like, pull in your opponents Emrakul, the Aeons Torn,  id say game over with that one. and remember i dont play tournaments. just against friends,
Date Posted: Mon Aug/09/10 at 8:28pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

How about the Rite of Replication with the red spell... LOL
Date Posted: Mon Aug/09/10 at 8:34pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Very specific, "the red spell" (^_^)
Date Posted: Mon Aug/09/10 at 10:57pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

It is specific... LOL

Will the kicked Rite of Replication's copy kicked too?
Date Posted: Tue Aug/10/10 at 5:09pm

ParadoxRemix
Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

If a kicked spell is copied, the copy is kicked too. The red spell is Fork, although I think they made a new one in M11.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/10/10 at 5:15pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

No, I don't believe that the copy will be kicked. You can pay the kicker though.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/10/10 at 5:54pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

when a spell is copied all choices that were made for it are copied to.  So yes the copy will be kicked if the orignal is
Date Posted: Tue Aug/10/10 at 5:55pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Never mind then. I appear to be wrong.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/10/10 at 7:52pm

ParadoxRemix
Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

Kickers are additional costs to play the spell, and anytime a spell is copied, all costs that were payed for it are also copied. This is different from abilities like Storm or Replicate, as these are abilities of the cards being cast, not costs required to cast them.
Date Posted: Wed Aug/11/10 at 8:08pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Then if you multikick a spell then copy it, then it is also multikicked?
Date Posted: Thu Aug/12/10 at 8:03pm

ParadoxRemix
Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

Yes, multikicker follows all the same rules as kicker. Kickers work much the same way as splicing, it actually adds abilities to the cards, rather than creating new abilties seperate from the cards.
Date Posted: Thu Aug/12/10 at 10:04pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

So then Paradox, you are saying that if you copy a Fireball, the X is copied too?
Date Posted: Thu Aug/12/10 at 10:06pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Except that.. LOL
Date Posted: Thu Aug/12/10 at 10:14pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

He did say though that "anytime a spell is copied, all costs that were payed for it are also copied".
Date Posted: Thu Aug/12/10 at 10:29pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Of course there are ruling for the X costs... I'm pretty sure you're familiar with it...
Date Posted: Thu Aug/12/10 at 10:30pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Yep.
Date Posted: Thu Aug/12/10 at 10:39pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

that's good... now you understand?
Date Posted: Thu Aug/12/10 at 11:58pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

good, and just so everyone reading this understands as well, yes the X is copied
Date Posted: Fri Aug/13/10 at 4:54am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Ouchie...
Date Posted: Fri Aug/13/10 at 5:01am

ParadoxRemix
Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

Yes, the X costs are absolutely copied. The stack is the only zone where X has a value. In any other zone, X is always 0.

Copying a spell also takes into account buyback, although this will not have much effect since there's no card to repersent a copy.

Copying a spell also works with entwine, kicker, multikicker, and splice.

Copying a spell WILL NOT WORK with cascade, conspire, convoke, delve, gravestorm, rebound, replicate, ripple, and storm.

Please note that you cannot splice onto a copied spell as this must be done as the cpell is being played which a copy never is, however you can copy a spliced a spell and the copy will have all the abilities from cards spliced onto the original.

Also, whencopying a creature that was suspended, the copy does not have haste. This is because it's one of the triggered abilities of the suspend keyword that grants this.
Date Posted: Fri Aug/13/10 at 6:01am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Ah.
Date Posted: Sat Aug/14/10 at 9:07pm

hunter_raine
Posts: 186
Joined: 03-Jun-10

very informative.....
Date Posted: Mon Aug/16/10 at 10:30pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

thank you for the very informative post my friend...



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