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Combo Name: Extra turn colorless Submitted By: psyche
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Wormfang Manta
 Creature - Nightmare Beast 5UU 6/1 Judgment, Rare

Illusionary Mask
 Poly Artifact 2 Beta, Rare

Boomerang
 Instant UU 5th Edition, Common

Isochron Scepter
 Artifact 2 Mirrodin, Uncommon

Lightning Greaves
 Artifact - Equipment 2 Mirrodin, Uncommon
Estimated Combo Cost: $143.71
Date Posted: Sun Jun/27/10 at 10:09 pm

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

The mask puts in the manta without triggering it's coming into play effect. Equip the greaves and attack. If he gets through then great, and if not the use the scepter to boomerangs it. At end of turn, if you haven't boomeranged the manta then do so. You get the extra turn. Repeat as needed.
Date Posted: Sun Jun/27/10 at 10:31pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

It has blue. . . .
Date Posted: Sun Jun/27/10 at 10:38pm

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

You don't need to spend any blue to play it. It does have the limitation of needing some cards like the scepter and mask to use some of the cards like the manta and boomerang. That said, you don't spend any mana that isn't colorless.
Date Posted: Sun Jun/27/10 at 10:41pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Boom...
Date Posted: Sun Jun/27/10 at 10:54pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Sorry, I didn't think that through. Scapeshift and Cloudpost FTW!
Date Posted: Mon Jun/28/10 at 9:43am

wurtnik
Posts: 342
Joined: 08-May-10

you still have to spend blue mana when you turn it face up or as you play it face down.

Edit:- Ruling:Both the amount and types of mana you spend on {X} are taken into account while you're choosing a creature card from your hand. For example, if you spent {U}{U} on {X}, you can choose a creature card with mana cost {U}{U}, {1}{U}, {2}, or {W/U}{W/U}, among other possibilities, but not one that costs {2}{U} or one that costs {G}.

[Edited by wurtnik on 28/Jun/10 at 9:49AM]
Date Posted: Mon Jun/28/10 at 10:02am

W@W Podcaster
Posts: 445
Joined: 01-Jun-10

Greaves gives it shroud...
Date Posted: Mon Jun/28/10 at 10:55am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

You can equip the Greaves to another creature then.
Date Posted: Tue Jun/29/10 at 9:10am

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

The greaves are free to equip, so it doesn't matter since you can move them. The ruling on the mask on the other hand i didn't know about. Where did you find it? I could find the wizard sit having this/
http://www.wizards.com/Magic/Magazine/Article.aspx?x=mtgcom/feature/100
6) Illusionary Mask
Date Posted: Tue Jun/29/10 at 10:12am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Yep, it requires no blue.
Date Posted: Tue Jun/29/10 at 10:47am

W@W Podcaster
Posts: 445
Joined: 01-Jun-10

It does require blue because the mask says to play it facedown by paying X where X is its casting cost, or more. The mask says casting cost, and casting cost includes color. If it said converted mana cost, then it would indeed be colorless.
Date Posted: Tue Jun/29/10 at 11:09am

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

Did you read the article. The wizards site said "The Mask doesn't require you to pay the creature's colored mana cost. For example, you could pay  to put a card with mana cost  into play." This is the wizards web site. I thought that there was a more recent  eretta that you were referring to. If so please tell me, as I would rather learn than just be right, but if not then the combo is perfect as it stands.
Date Posted: Tue Jun/29/10 at 1:24pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Read the web site. He even spend the time to post it!!!
Date Posted: Tue Jun/29/10 at 3:59pm

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

I gotta agree with Hungry here. You do have to pay the blue mana when using the Mask to play the creature.

The article cited by psyche is way out of date, it was published in 2002

The current rulings are available from Gatherer at http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=617

Of note:

10/1/2009
If you use the ability to cast a creature card face down, you must keep track of the amount and types of mana you spent on {X}. If that creature spell is moved from the stack to anywhere other than the battlefield, the resulting creature leaves the battlefield, or the game ends, the face-down card is revealed. If its mana cost couldn't be paid by some amount of, or all of, the mana you spent on {X}, all applicable penalties for casting a card illegally are assessed.

Also note: The old wording had the face down creature from the mask be 0/1. The new rulings make it a 2/2 in line with Morph creatures.

In general, always go to Gatherer for the latest official wording and rulings.

And now some useful content - the Greaves are actually irrelevant if you can wait a turn after casting the Manta using the mask. In the next turn, attack with the Manta and THEN Boomerang it, and re-cast with the mask.

Also, if you have another creature to equip the greaves to anyway, they are pretty irrelevant, as you could just attack with that creature every turn instead of the Manta. Phantom Warrior and similar would be good :)
Date Posted: Tue Jun/29/10 at 4:04pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Pysche specifically said "I thought that there was a more recent  eretta that you were referring
to. If so please tell me, as I would rather learn than just be right,
but if not then the combo is perfect as it stands." I was agreeing with the old ruling. I didn't know that there was a new one.
Date Posted: Tue Jun/29/10 at 4:07pm

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Sorry, didn't mean to come of as rude or anything, just wanted to point to the current rulings.
Date Posted: Tue Jun/29/10 at 4:07pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

It's fine.
Date Posted: Wed Jun/30/10 at 6:32am

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

Thanks for the more recent rulings. That is what i look for, but just found the old one. This combo is one that does use blue, but not any repeat sorceries. Also the manta is a good thing to swing with cause it's front end is 6. A 6/1 hits hard. It is also the most vulnerable part of the combo. The point of attacking is to flip him, so when he leaves the battlefield his ability goes off. This is good for blue, but not able to go into any color deck like i hoped. Thanks everyone for the recent rulings.
Date Posted: Wed Jun/30/10 at 7:15am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Oh yeah, I've never noticed that Gatherer had rulings until now.
Date Posted: Wed Jun/30/10 at 9:09pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Hmmm... Why now?
Date Posted: Wed Jun/30/10 at 9:17pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Because he posted a link to it.
Date Posted: Wed Jun/30/10 at 11:03pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

I'm guessing you only go to gatherer to search for a card with parameters like text, p/t, creature type or card mechanic...



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