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Gideon Jura

{3}{W}{W}

Legendary Planeswalker — Gideon

Rise of the Eldrazi

Read rules for Gideon Jura
+2: During target opponent's next turn, creatures that player controls attack Gideon Jura if able. −2: Destroy target tapped creature. 0: Until end of turn, Gideon Jura becomes a 6/6 Human Soldier creature that's still a planeswalker. Prevent all damage that would be dealt to him this turn.

Loyalty: 6

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Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 8:47 am

Seraphic
Posts: 123
Joined: 03-Apr-09

What would happen in this situation?

Gideon Jura becomes a creature you can clone it.

But what will come of the clone?
Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 8:48am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

I beleive the clone would die due to lack of lolaty counters, but I don't know the most on it.
Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 8:50am

Seraphic
Posts: 123
Joined: 03-Apr-09

Its when you use his 3rd ability it becomes a 6/6 solider creature that prevents all damage. Meaning he is target-able by creature kill cards.
Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 8:54am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Yep, but the clone would gain the planeswalker type, and it wouldn't have any lolaty counters on it, so the clone would die (I am not possitive on this)
Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 8:57am

Seraphic
Posts: 123
Joined: 03-Apr-09

Yeah, I think you're right. But you never know this could be an awesome way to get a 6/6 solider preventer for 4 haha
Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 8:59am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

No, it would come into play as just a planeswalker, similair to how if you copy a chimiric staff, it comes into play as just he artifact.



[Edited by Mageta on 10/Jun/10 at 9:00AM]
Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 9:09am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

when a planeswalker comes into play it gets loyality counters.  clone comes into play as a copy of the creatures base characteristics and abilities, and will trigger any come into play effects, so the clone would come into play as a planewalker with all of gidion abilities and 6 loyality counter.

However, before you can do anything it and gidion would then die as a state based effect due to the planeswalker uniquiness rule
Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 9:10am

Seraphic
Posts: 123
Joined: 03-Apr-09

From Wizards.com

A planeswalker comes into play with a number of loyalty counters on it equal to it's loyalty number. While a planeswalker is in play, it's loyalty is equal to the number of loyalty counters on it, and it's printed loyalty number is ignored.

Thus, meaning it WOULD copy it. It WOULD come into play as a 6/6 creature that is also a planeswalker with 3 loyalty counters on it.

BUT!!!

* If two or more planeswalker in play share a subtype in play, they are placed into their owner's graveyards as a state-based effect.

It would just end up killing them both....
Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 9:11am

lin sivvi
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Oh yeah, that was what I was forgetting.
Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 9:11am

Seraphic
Posts: 123
Joined: 03-Apr-09

Yeah.... what he said :P
Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 7:37pm

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

Correct me if i'm wrong since i didn't check the rules yet, but if the card that a creature enchatment targets ceses to be a creature, then wouldn't the card no longer be a valid target, and therefore cause the enchantment to go to the graveyard?
Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 9:01pm

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

yes
Date Posted: Fri Jun/11/10 at 9:58am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

There would be two of the same Planeswalkers and they would both die.
Date Posted: Fri Jun/11/10 at 10:03am

Seraphic
Posts: 123
Joined: 03-Apr-09

@psyche If you enchant them yes. Clone isn't an enchant. It would become the creature. As like the Chimeric staff or what not. It would come into play as the artifact but not as a creature but would still have the same effect.
Date Posted: Fri Jun/11/10 at 12:46pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Or, you could NOT try to clone a Gideon and keep your one Gideon alive.