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Combo Name: ante THEIR deck *fixed*

Submitted By: lin sivvi

Card Name

Type

Cost

P/T

Editions (ordered by release)

Timmerian Fiends

Summon Fiends

1BB

1/1

Homelands, Uncommon

Quicksilver Amulet

Artifact

4

Urza's Legacy, Rare

Artifact

4

Fifth Dawn, Uncommon

Paradise Mantle

Artifact - Equipment

0

Fifth Dawn, Uncommon

Enduring Renewal

Enchantment

2WW

Time Spiral: Timeshifted, Rare

Legendary Artifact

6

Mirrodin, Rare

Creature - Ouphe

1(G/U)(G/U)

1/3

Eventide, Uncommon

Artifact Creature - Vedalken Wizard

3U

2/3

Shards of Alara, Uncommon

Training Grounds

Enchantment

U

Rise of the Eldrazi, Rare

Estimated Combo Cost: $12.84

Date Posted: Wed Jun/02/10 at 6:13 pm

Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Yeah, this was broken the last time I posted it, but now it works.

Well, this of course doesn't work if the know the
conceed rule.

Training Ground, Gilder Bairn, Paradise Mantle,
Gemstone Array: Gives you Infinate mana.

Filigree Sages: Allows
you to untap Scepter indeffinatly

Mindslaver: Allows you to
decide they should ante

Quicksilver Amulet, Enduring Renewal: Allows you to play the Fiend on their turn infinately.

Then once you have anted their entire library just
let the mill finish them and get their

deck as a prize. Yes,
this is ridiculous to pull off, I pretty sure something is wrong with
it. But if you can make a no conceed house rule, then you will gain all
their deck if you can gain full control over the board.

Date Posted: Wed Jun/02/10 at 6:28pm

Zark-the-Damned

Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Firstly, check the Oracle Text for Timmerian Fiends:

BBB, Sacrifice Timmerian Fiends: The owner of target artifact may ante the top card of his or her library. If that player doesn't, exchange ownership of that artifact and Timmerian Fiends. Put the artifact card into your graveyard and Timmerian Fiends from anywhere into that player's graveyard. This change in ownership is permanent.

Your opponent needs an Artifact in play for you to be able to play the ability, though you can get around this using Donate.

You would need to be playing with a very specific set of players who would accept a 'no concession' house rule and agree to play for ante, most players wouldn't consider it (part of the reason WOTC stopped making ante cards).

Date Posted: Wed Jun/02/10 at 8:05pm

Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

You can always make a copy of that creature with Kiki-Jiki if it's legal to exchange a non-existing card...

Date Posted: Thu Jun/03/10 at 3:53pm

Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

Tokens don't count as cards do they?

Date Posted: Thu Mar/24/11 at 6:29pm

Posts: 145
Joined: 13-Mar-11

tokens count as creatures and go to the grave when they die, but lin sivvi check out Nezumi Graverobber for your timmerian fiends and u can keep using if u have infinite mana, which u do

[Edited by Nightmare on 24/Mar/11 at 6:33PM]

Date Posted: Fri Mar/25/11 at 7:44am

Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

It wouldn't work. If you made a token of the Fiends, the exchange would never take place, because there's not a card in Magic that let's you exchange something and pull yours back at the last second somehow. Since they're a token, they would be exiled when you sacrifice them, and the exchange wouldn't happen.

As for the Nezumi Graverobber, I don't see how that's relevant. Even if it was an original Fiends in thier graveyard, exiling would just put it into thier exile zone. They would still have ownership of the card.

*** I've found a group of players who are willing to allow the use of ante cards. It's actually really fun because almost no one uses any rares, and the decks seem to be alot more versatile than the decks i normally see. I recommend trying this to anyone.

Date Posted: Fri Mar/25/11 at 11:15am

Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

paradox-I think he is refering to the flip side of graverobber, the nighteyes and with the unlimited mana using his return from grave ability to keep replaying the fiends.

However, while you can keep return it to play its ability won't do anything for you, just as you can't sacifice a creature you don't control, you can't exchange ownership of a creature you don't own.

Date Posted: Fri Mar/25/11 at 2:08pm

Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

So my way still works, right?

Date Posted: Sat Mar/26/11 at 2:51am

Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

yes it works as long as your play group in ok with it

Date Posted: Sat Mar/26/11 at 7:32am

Posts: 42
Joined: 18-Apr-10

Your combo wouldn't work. You have no way of getting the fiends back into your hand. Enduring Renewal doesn't work because the fiends don't go to your graveyard.

Date Posted: Sat Mar/26/11 at 1:44pm

Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

No the fiends do go to my graveyard, because they normal have the option of countering the effect by anteing an additional card, which using mindslaver I force them to do. So the fiends go to my graveyard instead of doing any sort of trade.

Date Posted: Sat Mar/26/11 at 3:56pm

Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

You've still got the problem that the Fiends only target artifacts.

Date Posted: Sat Mar/26/11 at 6:22pm

Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Yeah, didn't feel like re-posting it with dominate and a omnithropter

Date Posted: Sat Mar/26/11 at 6:22pm

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Joined: 14-Jan-10

Date Posted: Sat Mar/26/11 at 7:01pm

Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

I don't understand. Donate gives the control, not ownership.

Date Posted: Sat Mar/26/11 at 7:55pm

Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

whoops.
Transmogrifying Licid would

Date Posted: Sun Mar/27/11 at 7:47am

Posts: 389
Joined: 22-Feb-10

Yup. Also Ashnod's Transmogrant, Mishra's Groundbreaker, and Liquimetal Coating. Probably others too...

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