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Thornbite StaffEnlarge

Thornbite Staff

{2}

Kindred Artifact — Shaman Equipment

Morningtide

Read rules for Thornbite Staff
Equipped creature has "{2}, {T}: This creature deals 1 damage to any target" and "Whenever a creature dies, untap this creature." Whenever a Shaman creature enters, you may attach this Equipment to it. Equip {4}

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Splinter Twin

{2}{R}{R}

Enchantment — Aura

Rise of the Eldrazi

Read rules for Splinter Twin
Enchant creature Enchanted creature has "{T}: Create a token that's a copy of this creature, except it has haste. Exile that token at the beginning of the next end step."

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Date Posted: Tue May/25/10 at 9:13 am

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

using the stack the copy would reslove before the spell. Sac the copy in response to it entering the battlefield. Thornbite triggers and goes on the stack. Tornbite resolves. Spiketail resolves. If they pay then you do it again.
Date Posted: Tue May/25/10 at 10:40am

lloyd305
Posts: 1
Joined: 25-May-10

When a token is sacrificed, it never goes into the graveyard; it is simply removed from play. Thus the thornbite staff is never activated.
Date Posted: Tue May/25/10 at 11:06am

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

tokens go to the graveyard unless otherwise specificed. Sacing a token sends it to the graveyard. The thing you are thinking of is the fact that most tokens that exist "till end of turn" say exile them at end of turn, which is what the card final judgment does, as opposed to wrath of god's "destroy" tokens don't exist in the graveyard, but can be sent to the graveyard. check http://www.ebbemunk.dk/magic/index.html 110.5e. Because a token can go to the graveyard this works. A token can't be in the graveyard thus presist wouldn't work.
Date Posted: Tue May/25/10 at 12:24pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Correct, tokens go to the graveyard, but they don't remain there for any period of time.
Date Posted: Tue May/25/10 at 12:52pm

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

And most spells or abilties that make a token "till end of turn" don't send them to the graveyard, but rather "exile" them. They intend to not trigger the leaving play effects of most cards by doing so. The trick is being able to sac the token to effect, and therefor adding in going to the graveyard effect.
Date Posted: Tue May/25/10 at 7:59pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Yup...

LOL...




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