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Title: Widespread Panic
Date Posted: Sun Nov/17/13 at 10:44am

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

Widespread Panic
Mana Cost:
2Red
Type: Enchantment
Card Text:
Whenever a spell or ability causes its controller to shuffle his or her library, that player puts a card from his or her hand on top of his or her library.

This I believe is Commander 2013's rendition of Stranglehold, which was broken with Ral Zarek and Temporal Aperture. I'm looking at this and I know that there is at the very least a Library Lock hidden somewhere but I can't pinpoint it.

What I have found:
This caters to Future Sight, Vampire Nocturnus, Lost in the Woods, Delver of Secrets, and the like.
Gives Miracles a second chance (Myr Mindservant/Madblind Mountain + Thunderous Wrath, or such)

The best I've come up with so far is: Widespread Panic, Whirlpool Rider, Lifeline, Bottled Cloister, another creature.
Perhaps: Widespread Panic, Lantern of Insight, Myr Retriever, Lifeline, Etherium Astrolabe?
Date Posted: Mon Nov/18/13 at 1:01pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

What about Soldier of Fortune?
Date Posted: Mon Nov/18/13 at 9:28pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

fun times.
Date Posted: Tue Nov/19/13 at 4:32am

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

I suggets to add
Teferi, Mage of Zhalfir

Since the rules for timing do not allow casting sorceries during the draw step, you may activate the soldier of fortune (see 504.3 below) during the draw step after your opponent has drawn the card. He cannot cast anything, he only may activate abilities like cycling.

307.1. A player who has priority may cast a sorcery card from his or her hand during a main phase of his or her turn when the stack is empty. Casting a sorcery as a spell uses the stack. (See rule 601, “Casting Spells.”)

504. Draw Step
504.1. First, the active player draws a card. This turn-based action doesn’t use the stack.
504.2. Second, any abilities that trigger at the beginning of the draw step and any other abilities that have triggered go on the stack.
504.3. Third, the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities.

Date Posted: Tue Nov/19/13 at 9:32am

terakhan
Posts: 636
Joined: 24-Mar-13

I would say that enchantment from New Phyrexia block that lets you exile one of their top two whenever they shuffle. You can make them lose whatever they put on top if its good, or keep it there and throw out the other card if its bad.
Date Posted: Tue Nov/19/13 at 10:10am

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

You could just see the despair in their eyes as Widespread Panic takes root and spreads like the plague...
Date Posted: Tue Nov/19/13 at 11:45am

terakhan
Posts: 636
Joined: 24-Mar-13

Well, Maralen doesn't work, since Widespread Panic only triggers when something THEY control makes them shuffle. So the trick would be to give them Maralen, maybe?


[Edited by terakhan on 19/Nov/13 at 11:47AM]
Date Posted: Tue Nov/19/13 at 9:34pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

Psychic Surgery does have good synergy, but you are right, even thought Soldier of Fortune was the exact card I was looking for, it does not work due to the shuffler needing to be in control of the shuffling spell or ability.
I'm not sure I'd grant them a Maralen of the Moonsong, at it allows a method of self destruction searching.
Date Posted: Tue Nov/19/13 at 9:50pm

terakhan
Posts: 636
Joined: 24-Mar-13

So what about adding Stranglehold and Bazaar Trader to the mix. Stranglehold shuts them out of searching, but doesn't stop the mandatory shuffle part of Maralen's ability. So you stop them from drawing, stop them from searching, then force their entire hand back on top of their library.
Date Posted: Wed Nov/20/13 at 4:53am

knarf_the_dwarf
Posts: 1370
Joined: 30-Nov-11

Upps, didn't notice the controller of the shuffle effect...
Donating the Maralen is a good suggestion.
Date Posted: Thu Nov/21/13 at 9:09pm

Chewy
Posts: 841
Joined: 18-Jan-13

Add hive mind, have a lot of shuffle effects, and keep this out. Seems best in grixis colors to me. You could do a notion thief kind of deal, or use sire of insanity to keep opponents without cards aside from drawing additional ones if they're lucky enough to. You could also use fatigue to skip draw steps
Date Posted: Thu Nov/21/13 at 9:25pm

Chewy
Posts: 841
Joined: 18-Jan-13

What I'd probably do is Possessed Portal, Notion Thief, Hive Mind, Widespread Panic, and Sire of Insanity to make it as difficult as possible to answer. And I'd play bojuka bog and bounce lands to exile graveyards or something. If it were 5 colors, I'd use rest in peace.



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