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Title: new combat question
Date Posted: Sat Nov/02/13 at 11:28am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

So if I have 2 clerics with "{T}: Prevent the next 1 damage to target creature or player" and I double block a massive creature (say 18/18), and activate their abilities on themselves, can that massive creature kill only 1 of my clerics? Alternitively, if that creature has trample can it even kill either of them.

My logic is that because, as of M2010, you now only choose the order that lethal damage is assigned. When calculating lethal damage you do not take into acount damage that will be prevented. Thus a creature will only be assign enough damage to kill it. Thus preventing a single damage will save any creature except the last one.
Date Posted: Sat Nov/02/13 at 6:44pm

terakhan
Posts: 636
Joined: 24-Mar-13

In most cases, your two clerics vs the 18/18 are probably going to die, unless your opponent is less familiar with the newer combat rules:

-Two clerics vs 18/18, no trample: assign 9 damage to each, both die.

-Two clerics vs 18/18 trample: assign 2 damage to each cleric to cover the prevention shenanigans, and 14 to you.

-Two clerics vs 18/18 trample with inattentive controller: 1 damage to each cleric (prevented by abilities), 16 damage to you.
Date Posted: Sun Nov/03/13 at 10:17am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

So you can still over-assign combat damage then?
Date Posted: Sun Nov/03/13 at 8:43pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

welcome back lin, glad your back in the game
to answer your question-yes, you can over assign up to the attackers power
 


[Edited by gericault5 on 3/Nov/13 at 8:44PM]
Date Posted: Sun Nov/03/13 at 9:49pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2610
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Man new rules really get to me. First deathtouch now this. I miss banding. Though the only new rule I dislike is the legends rule changes.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/04/13 at 10:36am

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

Concur, Twogun... My Clone's commander killing ability is severely nerfed.
Date Posted: Tue Dec/24/13 at 10:46pm

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Sadly, banding wouldn't help your 2 cleric scenario. Because they would be dealt damage as 1 creature, 18 damage - 2 for prevention would still equal 16. 16-2 for toughness is 14 damage to you from trample. Now, if banding was still around, this is purely figurative, band Vampire Nighthawk with a first strike creature, that 18/18 is dead before it gets to assign damage.
Date Posted: Wed Dec/25/13 at 12:46am

terakhan
Posts: 636
Joined: 24-Mar-13

Banding's only real feature was that you control damage assignment rather than its controller. Your banded creatures still deal their damage with proper timing.
702.21g Banding doesn't cause attacking creatures to share abilities, nor does it remove any abilities. The attacking creatures in a band are separate permanents.
So the creature with deathtouch does not gain the first strike or double strike of anything its banded with.
Date Posted: Fri Dec/27/13 at 1:32am

Kefka
Posts: 535
Joined: 30-Oct-12

Actually, looking at that a little closer now, you can't prevent the damage as a response to it happening anymore. Goddamn Wizards of the Coast and them changing rules and shit without asking veteran player...*mutters to himself as he walks away*