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Title: I finally realize.
Date Posted: Thu Apr/05/12 at 12:44am

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Ever since I've come on here people have insulted me and my combos. Lately I've tried to post better ones but I finally realize now. I've NEVER posted a bad combo. EVER.  I have posted combos that were more deck ideas than combos and combos that didn't work or weren't functional (which everyone has done at one point) and I'll admit to posting Krark Clan Ironworks+Retriever+Inexorable Tide combos that were only different in choice of proliferation target but aside from these NONE of my combos suck. Combos are MADE of synergy and NEED synergy in order to be combos. Some synergies are just more powerful than others.

Here I'm going to list some combos I've posted that got bashed and why they are awesome.

1.Using Tezz of Bolas to make Hovermyr a 5/5. I use this in my T2 deck along with doing the same thing to Vault Skirge and do 5 or 10 (if I have 2 out) damage in 1 turn.

2.Krark Clan Ironworks+Retrievers+Gravepact. This was just BRILLIANT. This will not only allow you to kill your opponents field, but if you need to, do it again later.

3.Eradicate and Living Plane. A mono colored deck's worst nightmare.

4.Plague Stinger and Painsmith. I once had an artifact Infect deck where this would win me a game on turn 5.

5.Plague Stinger and Hatred. Do the math.

If you remember a combo I've posted that doesn't meet the any of the above descriptions that you didn't think was good describe it or make a link to it and I'll explain how it is awesome.
Date Posted: Thu Apr/05/12 at 1:31am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

NOT ONE FUCK WAS GIVEN THAT DAY!

DAMMIT DUDE GET OVER IT!
Date Posted: Thu Apr/05/12 at 2:42am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Date Posted: Thu Apr/05/12 at 2:42am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

http://i52.tinypic.com/talcfp.jpg
Date Posted: Thu Apr/05/12 at 6:44am

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Hey Jester. Way to be an asshole. Keep up the positive encouragement.
Date Posted: Thu Apr/05/12 at 7:50am

SirZapdos
Posts: 329
Joined: 21-Jun-11

I think it all depends on how people define a combo. For example, Delver of Secrets and Brainstorm work wonderfully together, but that's not really a combo. Sundial of the Infinite and Final Fortune are great as well, and could be considered a combo of sorts.

I think for it to be a combo, the cards need to interact in such a way as to produce a powerful, game-changing effect, if not an infinite effect.

For example: Horned Kavu + Aluren + Pandemonium, or Mikaeus, the Unhallowed + Viscera Seer + Murderous Redcap

I guess people who have been here a long time have grown fed up with people posting simple, but still useful interactions and synergies and claiming that they are combos. Who knows. It's the internet, don't let it get to you.
Date Posted: Thu Apr/05/12 at 8:06am

Starship
Posts: 549
Joined: 13-Dec-11

as far as magic is concerned i'm all about constructive criticism. there have been times when your combos haven't impressed me, but i'm not a dick about it. you've also posted combos i've liked.

but seriously, never take the internet too seriously.
Date Posted: Thu Apr/05/12 at 8:13am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Hey Narcinek

Jesters right, get over it.   Whats a good combo and whats a bad combo is determined by the poster and the reader, and they might not think the same thing.  You think your gravepact combo is awsome, I don't,  if I'm going to dominate someone with the retriver combo I'm just going to win instead of prolonging the game and pissing off my friends, your eradicate/plane combo doesn't impress me, mainly because I've been there, one of my first combos on the site was doing the same thing with splinter., all you did was change the cards.  Tezz and myr might as well gone with daru warchief and a soldier.(oh wait).  So yes I think some of your combos are bad.  But should my or someone elses opinion really matter to you.

If you think its good, then post it, someone else doesn't like it fuck'em they don't need to use it.  And if they talk smack, who cares, there just typed words, as long as what you posted works for you and in your meta then let it be. 


[Edited by gericault5 on 5/Apr/12 at 8:14AM]
Date Posted: Thu Apr/05/12 at 10:49am

Starship
Posts: 549
Joined: 13-Dec-11

trufax
Date Posted: Thu Apr/05/12 at 11:12am

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

Unfortunately it's the way of the web. When you post up multiple combos and people see and say, why are you doing that and you do it again you make yourself a target.

When you post up a combo that is made to just mess with people then you make yourself a target.

So my comment is, you don't like what people are doing then change to accommodate them. If you don't want to change, that's fine too, but deal with the ramifications and don't do what you're doing in this post because this, again, just makes you a target.

Date Posted: Thu Apr/05/12 at 12:18pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

I finally see Turbine and Pinkie as immature children. Also I realize that there are no such things as bad cambos. Just synergies that are more powerful than others.
Date Posted: Thu Apr/05/12 at 12:36pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

To address each of those in a logical way:
  1. Planeswalkers are so difficult to use, and using one to give a creature +4/+3 just isn't worth it. On the other hand making a 0 mana indestructable artifact a creature as well is much more useful
  2. Ironworks and Retrievers is one of the oldest combos in the book, its a good combo, but nothing new
  3. If you had searched eradicate you would have seen that exact combo except with animate land instead, which is much better.
  4. All your doing is buffing a creature. . .
  5. Hatred is good to cast on a creature with double strike or infect its very very obvious
Date Posted: Thu Apr/05/12 at 12:42pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

@Lin

The first one i do in Blue/Black control and the effect is permanent.
Date Posted: Thu Apr/05/12 at 7:02pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

I will address this, point by point. Without exclamation marks, and with mostly proper grammar and punctuation because this is surryus bizznes, and maybe this will make it easier for you to understand the reasoning behind my opinions.

For your convenience when interpreting this post:
I don't feel like typing this in code or in an IE-base tab, so please treat the all-caps words as if they are italicized.
I don't want to type this out every time I say "bad" or "good," so I'll say it once. When I say good or bad, that is obviously my opinion, although it appears that many people feel similarly. Good and bad are obviously subjective terms, and when I use these words, I'm telling you what I think, not that your combo is necessarily bad, but that I view it as bad, and you can't really change that.


"Ever since I've come on here people have insulted me and my combos. Lately I've tried to post better ones but I finally realize now. I've NEVER posted a bad combo. EVER."
That's entirely a matter of opinion. I think you have posted a few bad combos, but for the most part they're decent. The problem isn't that they're bad, it's that they're incredibly simple, inefficient, obvious, and/or repetitive. That's how I view a large number of them, and since I believe that you post combos on here because you want feedback, critique, and/or to simply spread combos that you think are good, I let you know what I think. I'm not saying that you're not entitled to your opinion, but the general consensus appears to be that many of your combos are repetitive or very obvious. Obviously I can't FORCE you to stop posting bad combos, but I (and others) attempt to explain to you problems with your synergies/combos, because I'm reasonably sure that you CAN post good combos, and if I can make that happen, I will.

"I have posted combos that were more deck ideas than combos and combos that didn't work or weren't functional (which everyone has done at one point) and I'll admit to posting Krark Clan Ironworks+Retriever+Inexorable Tide combos that were only different in choice of proliferation target but aside from these NONE of my combos suck."
Again, entirely a matter of opinion. Again, they don't necessarily suck, but many of them are very inefficient or repetitive. You appear to have realized that second part, but you don't seem to be acting on that realization. EG your Khalni Garden combos. They're not bad, but posting cards that get lands from your library along with cards that somehow count lands, isn't doing anything special. It's what the cards were designed to do.

"Combos are MADE of synergy and NEED synergy in order to be combos. Some synergies are just more powerful than others."
Very true, but there's a certain level of synergy, below which, the combos shouldn't really be posted.
There's also the level of interaction, which you don't seem to consider when you post combos. Khalni Heart Expedition and Harrow work VERY well together. They were both key parts of a dominant standard deck, and the synergy between them is very strong, for reasons I don't need to describe since you appear to understand that fairly well. But even though the synergy is powerful, it's also very obvious. Using land fetch spells with landfall cards. The interaction is powerful, but obvious.

I won't address the examples you've given, because I think Lin Sivvi did an adequate job.

"Hey Jester. Way to be an asshole. Keep up the positive encouragement."
Not really a good way to talk to your friend. The fact that he said that should probably tell you that even the people you KNOW agree with the opinions of your combos that others have stated. He seems to be pretty angry about your apparent complete lack of tolerance for anybody else's opinions, even after they've been expressed to you multiple times with many different levels of "maturity". Don't particularly want to talk about this. Moving on.

"I finally see Turbine and Pinkie as immature children. Also I realize that there are no such things as bad cambos. Just synergies that are more powerful than others."
And that's completely fine. I honestly don't care very much what you think of me. If I did I would probably be slightly more tolerant to your combos, and I would most likely be a lot nicer when I addressed the problems. You may notice that Jester says essentially the same thing as Turbine and I, but he says it in a kinder way. I guess I should say "said." Even he seems to be tired of your bitching. I won't deny that I'm not the most mature person in the world. And even if I were, you're still entitled to your opinion. I could now move into a talk about how YOU'RE actually an immature child, but I feel like you'll just ignore it, and it would probably reduce the overall validity of the rest of this post.

"The first one i do in Blue/Black control and the effect is permanent."
I tried to think of a metaphor for your response to Lin's comment, but I really can't think of anything. What just happened, is he said something, and you just said something else that had no connection to his critique. He didn't say anything about the deck that you use the combo in, or the duration of the effect, he commented on the overall efficiency.

I don't really feel like finding other comments you've posted on combos, so I'll only address what you've said in this particular thread. Please don't make me waste my time typing anything like this out again.
[/SERIOUS]

@jester
Wow, i didnt even have to put any friendship in that speech and it was still annoying! All my sympathies are to you!

EDIT: That one sentence was just upsetting me!

[Edited by PinkiePie on 5/Apr/12 at 7:03PM]
Date Posted: Thu Apr/05/12 at 10:55pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I've already had this argument enough times. Jester, who I believe to be your friend, has even had enough of you.

Since I'm an "immature child", you are a child beater and killer, as you have threatened to beat and kill me multiple times on this forum.

SO, how long is it going to be before you post another "I'm so sad that I get criticism. I can't take reality" threads? Sounds harsh, but it's the damn truth, and you need to get it.

I pretty much agree with everything that Pinkie said.

Also, this:
http://www.mtgcombos.com/view.php?fid=2&tid=41772
Date Posted: Fri Apr/06/12 at 9:58am

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

@gericault
No. Jester's in the wrong for being a dick.

@Pinkie
I'd be willing to agree with and reach a middle ground with some of the things you said. Mainly because you were making valid points instead of throwing insults.

@Turbine
If you're trying to convince me of something then you're going about it wrong. Here's a little lesson about me. If you insult or belittle me I will disregard evrything you say. Pinkie for example. He didn't insult me made valid points. Another example is Jester. He flat out insuulted me therefore I'm disregarding what he said. He is clearly in the wrong and so is gericault for agreeing with him and taking his side. Oh and  that combo was awesome. Why? 90 damage and Annihilator 18.



Date Posted: Fri Apr/06/12 at 10:51am

M-alice
Posts: 46
Joined: 06-Apr-12

Dear god...does this guy Narcink have an ego or what? Chill out dude. I mean for one your calling these guys immature while at the same time making yourself look offended. Secondly if the joker dude is your pal he's probably just pulling ya leg. Let me tell you something my friend. You want people to like what you do? You got give them what they want. Take a look at the band Metallica for example. They made kickass music, but they suck now because they can't give the public what they want. You want to get props for your combos? You gotta win the public's appeal man. That dude is how you make it in the winner's circle. Quantity is never over quality. And don't even get me started on how Dragonforce is doing with their music...
Date Posted: Fri Apr/06/12 at 11:02am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Let me stop you right there....Dragonforce may have had ONE flop album...but that is the only flop album...Valley of the Damned, Sonic Firestorm, and Inhuman Rampage were awesome. That little queer ZP Theart needed to be kicked in my opinion. Ultra Beatdown was horrible...oh and Metallica? HA! When have those guys ever been good?
Date Posted: Fri Apr/06/12 at 11:55am

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

How about since the 70s.
Date Posted: Fri Apr/06/12 at 12:39pm

M-alice
Posts: 46
Joined: 06-Apr-12

Well I gotta props to Narcink on the musical knowledge. And if you did your research joker dude you'd know that ZP didn't get kicked, he left of his own accord. Both he and the band agreed that their musical stylings were clashing in a bad way. As far as Metallica goes, yeah they were good back in the day, but that don't give you an exuse to bash their new stuff just because it isn't as rad. Back to the point though. Narcink? Do you get what we've been saying? Or are you just gonna be a little kid with his hands cupping his ears? Or are you gonna do what all the greats do? Swallow their pride and give the public what they want?
Date Posted: Fri Apr/06/12 at 12:41pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

I gotta say, Pinkie Pie, Jester, Lucifer, even Turbine (normally on the rag) sounded so relevant and credible that it would be hard pressed to for anyone to not see their point of view.

Narcinek, you just said that you wouldn't listen to people that insult you, yet this entire post is regarding people insulting you. So I see a hole in your procedure.

Honestly, I think this is just a cry for attention and now you've had it and nothing will change. We'll see, but if it doesn't the next time you post up one of these I'll just reference this one and so much for that.
Date Posted: Fri Apr/06/12 at 1:15pm

M-alice
Posts: 46
Joined: 06-Apr-12

Yo, don't this place got mods or somethin? Cause if this is a cry for attention, it's fuckin' pathetic. I mean c'mon dood. Don't ya got some hobbies or something else to do besides bug others with ridiculous pettiness. What's the exuse Narcink? I can understand if it these guys weren't actually telling the same story. If people are all telling the same thing what does that say man? It's like my momma used ta say., if ya don't want it said about cha, don't let it be about cha.  So stop crying out for attention man. And remember post combos people actually want to use. Remember the better half of show biz is appealing to your audience. The other half is making sure they drink heavily.
Date Posted: Fri Apr/06/12 at 1:25pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Well, well, well, it would seem somepony is a metal head too. My only complaint is your choice in user name. Lucifer? Really? (Asmodeus and Vassago are way cooler IMO). So you get a 4/5 as far as user names go. You've got top notch stage presence to boot. (Really cool avatar btw, but I don't recognize what it's from).

Now onto more pressing matters...Like you know...metal bands who are actually talented...
Date Posted: Fri Apr/06/12 at 1:54pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Asmodeus? Planning a trek through the Nine Hells are we? I'm more of an abyss guy. Level 68 Lolth and the Demonweb Pits
Date Posted: Fri Apr/06/12 at 4:40pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

1.I wasn't trying to get attention. I was expressing my opinion.

2.Hobbies? I have a girlfriend (not the same one from before). And I'm also trying to find a job but it's hard in this economy.
Date Posted: Fri Apr/06/12 at 7:22pm

M-alice
Posts: 46
Joined: 06-Apr-12

Somepony? Dood what the hell!?

You are judging my avatar?

Have you looked at yours?

It's a fucking pony thing or some such shit.

But yeah Metal is the only way to go.
Date Posted: Fri Apr/06/12 at 8:21pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

SHIT JUST GOT REAL! BITCHASSNIQQA TRIPPIN!

Gonna take that, jester?
Date Posted: Fri Apr/06/12 at 9:18pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Hmm....I'm gonna let that comment slide...this time...but if I see you make any more spelling errors sh@t's gonna be on fire yo!
Date Posted: Fri Apr/06/12 at 10:35pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Which reminds me, I was planning to get into metal music, and Jester seems to know what he's talking about.

Any good bands that I should listen to?

[Edited by Turbine on 6/Apr/12 at 10:35PM]
Date Posted: Sat Apr/07/12 at 9:25am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Well okay...here's a few I usually suggest for the average metal head.

5. Dragonforce

www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jgrCKhxE1s&ob=av2e

Song: Through the Fire and Flames, very heavy guitar, but with light vocals remiscient of earlier metal bands. More of an epic feel than dark.

4. Devildriver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBPlBgxLnfs

Song: Hold Back the Day, very heavy guitar and drums. Tinted with a hint of Death metal vocals and wrapped up in a sweet over all dark package. Mostly sings about violence and death.  A little closure and a few soft songs are not out of the question though.

3.Megadeth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Md9Y_kq5lqU

Song: Back in the Day, easily summing up the entirety old school metal, and gives a look into how metal used to be "back in the day"

2.Black Sabbath

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBADDzsfeRk&feature=iv&annotation_id=annotation_451758

Song: Master of Insanity, easily one of their more overlooked songs, Black Sabbath tends to deal with more out of this world stuff than most bands of it's time, and also featured Ozzy Osbourne as lead vocalist during what some call, The Ozzy Years.

1. Disturbed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQSWHkZp4mU

Song:Down With the Sickness

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVinwOpllQk

Song: Ten Thousand Fists

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fj0vLSdZJEM

Song: Shout 2000

I don't feel like giving an opinion on these guys. It would be to utterly biased of me to say anything. So there you have it.


Date Posted: Sat Apr/07/12 at 9:26am

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

A Dark Halo, Dust for Life, Breaking Benjamen, Thousand Foot Crutch, Motorhead, and Slipknot.
Date Posted: Sat Apr/07/12 at 3:06pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

I've been into Metal since '85 and playing guitar since '87. The stuff that's out there right now is just not the metal of old.

Megadeth is a good example. If you want to hear some old school then try Queensryche - Operation: Mindcrime. I'm a big fan of Breaking Benjamin too, but not all their stuff is good.
Date Posted: Sun Apr/08/12 at 12:27pm

krowbar28
Posts: 434
Joined: 18-Oct-10

TOP 10 Best Metal Bands

1. Wintersun

2. Death

3. Megadeth

4. Opeth

5.Mastodon

6. Iron Maiden

7. Shadows Fall

8. Dragonforce

9. Machine Head

10. Pantera
Date Posted: Sun Apr/08/12 at 6:06pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I didn't really like Devildriver. I don't like the really heavy drums and growling, because it seems like it distracts from the actual music.

Master of Insanity was pretty good. I liked the balance of the instruments.

Back in the Day and Ten-Thousand Fists were my favorite.

From what I've seen, I like the melodies and instruments used in metal. I don't like when there's growling voices and when the drums are louder than and cover up the melody. I think I'll just try to keep away from death-metal.

Thank you for the recommendations!



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