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Title: Need Suggestions?
Date Posted: Tue Mar/23/10 at 4:09am

Icuonuez
Posts: 241
Joined: 02-Mar-10

I know many people in my group of friends that would like to know some cards to increase their deck speed, power, and overall W/L ratio. This Forum will be to get suggestions for such things. Basically, you tell us of a deck you plan on making, and then tell us your problem with the deck. We will give you card suggestions, in addition to what you could use to spice up the deck even more. If it isn't what you're looking for, let us know and we'll give you another suggestion.

I'll start first. My girlfriend is constructing a demon deck. This is the lineup:
15 Swamp
4 Piranha Marsh
4 Terramorphic Expanse

4 Dark Ritual
4 Diabolic Tutor (Prices)
2 Xathrid Demon
3 Ob Nixilis
4 Soot Imp
3 Reiver Demon
1 Sorin Markov
1 Liliana Vess
1 Phage the Untouchable
4 Doom Blade
3 Halo Hunter
2 Extractor Demon
2 Havoc Demon
3 Blood Speaker

The deck focuses on life loss, but it must be a fast caster. Any suggestions?

[Edited by Icuonuez on 24/Mar/10 at 3:06PM]

[Edited by Icuonuez on 24/Mar/10 at 3:11PM]
Date Posted: Wed Mar/24/10 at 3:00am

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

Damn... that is one nasty deck. Dark Rituals are good for getting that quick mana, but like you (kind of) mentioned, all of the creatures except for a few have a high casting cost. Maybe throw in some smaller creatures? So that she can have something to block earlier in the game until she can get those big boys out. Then she can just start raping hard.
Date Posted: Wed Mar/24/10 at 3:08am

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

I post this in a previous post, but since this is about deck suggestions, I throw it in here. It's a W/U Merfolk deck with the goal of getting a bunch of Merfolk out, giving them islandwalk, giving the opponent(s) an island and swarming them.

EDIT: Here's the list so far: (This was not the right one. Here's what it is now)

Stonybrook Banneret x4
Summon the School x4
Merrow Commerce x3
Judge of Currents x2
Stonybrook Schoolmaster x4
Merrow Reejerey x4
Merfolk Sovereign x2
Veteran of the Depths x2
Followed Footsteps x2
Aquitect's Will x4
Wanderwine Prophets x2
Lord of Atlantis x4
Teferi's Moat x2
Door of Destinies x2
Crawlspace x2
Merfolk of the Pearl Trident x4
Seahunter x4
Tidal Warrior x4

Sideboard:

Reminisce x4
Counterspell x4
Disenchant x4
Diplomatic Immunity x2
Wash Out x2
Greater Auramancy x2
Levitation x2


[Edited by scottymandingo on 24/Mar/10 at 4:12PM]

[Edited by scottymandingo on 24/Mar/10 at 4:14PM]
Date Posted: Wed Mar/24/10 at 3:05pm

Icuonuez
Posts: 241
Joined: 02-Mar-10

Merfolk are pwnsauce... You could actually take out the white to give you more variety, but if you're doing it for the infinite creatures combo, then I understand that. I would say a few Lullmage Mentors and a couple Merrow Commerce would spice that deck right up. Maybe throw a few Counterspells in there. Nobody can go wrong with countering. Safe Passage could save you from Pyroclasm as well.



Also, mixed up Blood Seeker with Blood Speaker and forgot to add in the lands.. changed all that.

[Edited by Icuonuez on 24/Mar/10 at 3:07PM]

[Edited by Icuonuez on 24/Mar/10 at 3:11PM]
Date Posted: Wed Mar/24/10 at 4:13pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

Damn, Blood Speaker is even nastier! And Piranha Marsh would just be
fun!



Thanks a lot for the suggestions. I have a few Merrow Commerce's in the
deck already. Love those cards. I'm not sure about the Lullmage Mentor.
However, if I'm going for creature tokens, I could easily tap seven
Merfolk, then counter a spell, then get another Merfolk... Hmm, I'll
think about that one... And Safe Passage would be awesome, since I play against a guy who uses Pyroclasm and it sucks hahaha!

I edited my post, too. I changed the deck a little while ago so it's a little different.

Thanks again!
Date Posted: Wed Mar/24/10 at 4:37pm

Wolfclan14
Posts: 461
Joined: 23-Jan-10

Alright What I got here is a Fresh Goblin deck I threw together, I already know I need more Siege-Gang Commanders, but I can't find anything else I need. It's built around doing the damage with the small 1/1 2/1 goblins.

Raging Goblin--3
Skirk Shaman--2
Emberwilde Augur--2
Siege-Gang Commander--1
Hatchet Bully--1
Bloodshot Trainee--2
Goblin Mountaineer--1
Goblin Shortcutter--2
Torch Slinger--2
Mudbutton Clanger--1
Mogg War Marshal--1
Hobgoblin Dragoon--1
Mudbutton Torchrunner--1
Goblin Piker--2
Skirk Commando--1

Threaten--1
Ghostfire--1
Lightning Bolt--1
Spire Barrage--1
Dragon's Claw--1
Mark of Mutiny--1
Blaze--1
Goblin War Paint--1
Lava Spike--1
Seal of Fire--1
Dragon Fodder--3
Lava Axe--2

Ghitu Encampment--1
Mountain--21


I will definately add another Mudbutton Torchrunner or two and probably a Hatchet Bully, so I can get 2 extra damage and then sac the Goblins.

Got any suggestions?
Date Posted: Wed Mar/24/10 at 4:57pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

A few Goblin Grenades? Are you trying to keep it Standard or whatever it's called?
Date Posted: Wed Mar/24/10 at 5:33pm

Wolfclan14
Posts: 461
Joined: 23-Jan-10

I guess, just goblins of all sorts, but I need to know If I can use one Goblin Grenade on multiple Goblins.
Date Posted: Wed Mar/24/10 at 5:37pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

You can use Goblin Grenade on any Goblin. The text reads "Sacrifice a Goblin to have Goblin Grenade deal 5 damage to one target." And by the looks of this deck, you'll be making plenty of little 1/1's which you can easily sac and deal the 5 damage. Goblin Grenade only costs one red mana also. Pretty damn cheap for how much damage you can do.
Date Posted: Wed Mar/24/10 at 8:05pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

How about my deck... What do you think should i add or remove?

Creatures: (21)
     Green:
       4 Birds of Paradise
       3 Cudgel Troll
     Red:
       2 Ball Lightning
       4 Kird Ape
     Multicolored (G/R):
       4 Marisi's Twin Claws
       4 Rip-Clan Crasher
Other Spells: (17)
     Green:
       4 Giant Growth
       2 Oakenform
       1 Might of Oaks
       2 Overrun
     Red:
       4 Lightning Bolt
     Multicolored:
       4 Colossal Might
Lands: (22)
       4 Taiga
       9 Forest
       5 Mountain
       4 Wooded Foothills
Date Posted: Wed Mar/24/10 at 8:54pm

Wolfclan14
Posts: 461
Joined: 23-Jan-10

Excellent, I'll see if I can find some.
Date Posted: Wed Mar/24/10 at 11:47pm

Icuonuez
Posts: 241
Joined: 02-Mar-10

Wolfclan: How about 4 Goblin Assault plus 4 Eldrazi Monument? Expensive, but 3 2/2 Indestructible goblins with flying a turn. Boom...

Shakii: What do you aim to make the deck do, exactly? It looks fine to me.
Date Posted: Thu Mar/25/10 at 1:44am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

wolf-

1) I would lose the hatchet bully since most of your creatures a 1/1/ or 2/1 you would kill it when it gets the -1 counter, and none of your creatures other then torchrunner have go to grave abilities, so paying 3 mana and a creature is not worth 2 damage

2) Bllodshot trainee needs to be a 4 for his ability, you have 1 card that pumps the odds of both being togetther is slim.  i would either lose the bloodshot or increase the number of pumps since a 2/3 vanilla for 4 is not worth the cost, my suggestion is add 4 copies of obsidion battle axe, not only will it give has a +2 bonus it is compatable with most of your cards so it will never be dead.

3) up the war marshall count to 4, 2 mana for 3 gob's is hard to pass up.  I would also replace the skirk shaman and goblin piker with 4 goblin ringleader.  and if you make that change switch some of your burn for tarfire so you can keep it in hand.  ghostfire is to expensive another lighting bolt or incinerate would be better. also skirk ridge fire marshall,

4)  how set are you on mono red, moving into black will open possibilites such as terminate, wort, fodder launch, birth rite, festering goblin, muderous redcap, bone splinter(which goes great with threaten), and my favorite non-goblin in a goblin deck lyzolda, the blood witch, which provides a great sac, burn, card draw outlet.

Shakii-

1)  I would change cudgel troll with troll asetic for its trollshroud

2)  oakform and 1 of the colossil mights would go if this was mine and loxodon warhammer(or behemoth sledge) would go in its place for the lifelink and trample. 
Date Posted: Fri Mar/26/10 at 11:58pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Icuonuez - concerning your girls demon deck.

As it was pointed out the biggest problem with the speed of this is the high mana cost of most of the creatures.  especially in a color not really know for its excel so the way i see it is you have 3 options to help this deck

1)  cut down on some of the beats and add cheaper creatures or more removal to slow down your oppoenent, especially some that also hurt the controller such as hideous end, soul reap, poison the well, rain of tears

2) go the reanimation route, its cheaper and still gets them into play, and phague/reiver are the only ones who would not benefit and they can be removed to add the reanimation/discard cards as can some of your 8 tutors,

3) try to get some excell going-look at adding options to big you B-sacrifice, burnt offering, culling the weak come to mind, as does bog witch and priest of gix(especially with the 3 fore) mentioned

Also with the slow spead of the deck you might want to add a method of dealing with the early life loss you will incur, such as tendrils of corruption, corrupt, consume spirit or something along those lines. soot imp seems really out of place here
Date Posted: Sat Mar/27/10 at 4:08am

Icuonuez
Posts: 241
Joined: 02-Mar-10

She put the Imps in there because of the fact that they're cheap and can cause massive life-loss if an opponent isn't careful. She likes to toy with her opponent, especially by keeping them in a straight line. Given that it's the cheapest creature in that deck, we figured it would be best to keep it. If there are other creatures that can cause life-loss, please oblige me. She is desperate about having the most annoying deck in FNM, which is a feat, considering someone rolls Turbo-Fog.
Date Posted: Sat Mar/27/10 at 8:12am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

so is she focused more on life loss, or the beats demons offer.  They way you are talking is she seems more about slowly bleeding her opponenent,, I already gave you some destroy suggestions so here are other options going along those lines

Muderous Redcap, Highway robber, dakmor ghoul, syphon life, uber syphon mage,  polluted bonds, vicicous hunger, cabel archon, banewasp affliction, death watch, uber syphon mage, tendrils of agony, cackling imp, blightspeaker, infectous host. infectious horror, howling banshee, corrupting licid, leechridden swamp, Hissing mismia is a must in a slow bleed deck. 

also if you were to splash white you have batwing brume-(great for swarm decks and your own fog is nice), blind hunter, souls of the faultless, agent of masks, putrid warrior.

Alot of these suggestions offer life gain as they bleed, which tends to annoy as it forces players to act quicker then normal, and with the life gain it is easier to play cards which hurt everyone, such as howling banshee, since you don't worry as much.  also all of these suggestions are lose of life so fog effects won;t do squat
Date Posted: Sat Mar/27/10 at 6:29pm

Skybreak22
Posts: 327
Joined: 01-Feb-10

Icounuez, if your girl wants the most "annoying" deck in FNM, have her build one with as many "flip a coin" options as she can find.  Coin flipping in MTG, has made me quit games, simply to prevent me from setting myself on fire to the sound of fingernails screeching across a blackboard. My fate being determined by a 50/50 flip of a coin drives me insane. Lmao, just thought I would throw that out there.....
Date Posted: Sat Mar/27/10 at 8:53pm

Icuonuez
Posts: 241
Joined: 02-Mar-10

She seems hell-bent on keeping this deck straight black, but for some reason, I didn't ever mention life-loss enchantments. You're the man, Gericault.
Date Posted: Sat Mar/27/10 at 10:18pm

shamwow
Posts: 56
Joined: 26-Mar-10

This is a link to my deck. http://www.mtgvault.com/ViewDeck.aspx?DeckID=51655
Date Posted: Sat Mar/27/10 at 11:05pm

Icuonuez
Posts: 241
Joined: 02-Mar-10

The link can't be found. You'll probably have to make a deck list on this site to get help.
Date Posted: Sat Mar/27/10 at 11:17pm

shamwow
Posts: 56
Joined: 26-Mar-10
























































Here is the deck list.
                                                        Artifacts
Orzhov Signet x2
Creatures
Serra
Angel x2
Archon of Justice x1
Visara the Dreadful x1
Duskrider Falcon x3
Enchantments
Pillory of the Sleepless x4
Shadow
Lance x4
Land
Orzhov Basilica x4
Plains x5
Swamp x6
Spells
Brave the Elements x1
Unmake x4
Culling
Sun x3
Demonic Tutor x1



[Edited by shamwow on 27/Mar/10 at 11:31PM]

[Edited by shamwow on 27/Mar/10 at 11:32PM]
Date Posted: Sat Mar/27/10 at 11:38pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

you are 19 cards short of a constructed deck, and the sets seem to over the place to m=be limited if you let us know the missing cards and what your planning we might beable to give you advice
Date Posted: Sun Mar/28/10 at 12:29am

shamwow
Posts: 56
Joined: 26-Mar-10

Me and my friends play with 40 card minimum decks and we don't play in tournaments.


[Edited by shamwow on 28/Mar/10 at 12:34AM]
Date Posted: Sun Mar/28/10 at 12:44am

shamwow
Posts: 56
Joined: 26-Mar-10

There's also 2 divinity of pride's
Date Posted: Sun Mar/28/10 at 3:15pm

Wolfclan14
Posts: 461
Joined: 23-Jan-10

I am SET HARD on keeping it mono red. I do my best with mono decks cause i never get the correct manna i need in a game.
Date Posted: Sun Mar/28/10 at 6:45pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

shamwow-so from what I am seeing  you want to keep the field clear of low casting creatures until you get your higher flyers in then run in unopposed. and if i'm wrong then I don't know what your stratagy is, though, since i asume you play with the same friends your deck was designed to beat theirs.  if its the later we can't help without knowing there decks.  If its the former, you need more excell.  your deck doesn't really start rolling until 5 mana so you want to get there as fast as possible, a decent arrgo deck would beat you before you get going.  shadow lance and brave the elements can be removed for more removal/excell.  Also I would take this deck mono white the black doesn't really do anything for it.  austre command and pacifism(or recumbant bliss) can make up for your  black spells and crovax, ascendent hero for visra.
Date Posted: Sun Mar/28/10 at 7:11pm

Wolfclan14
Posts: 461
Joined: 23-Jan-10

By the Way: Once I finish my Goblin deck up, I'm gonna work on a new one....SPIDERS.

Anyone got any good ideas for a Spider Deck?
Date Posted: Sun Mar/28/10 at 8:13pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Ok, i have been getting bored with my T2 u/w control and thought I would switch it to a br discard which I have not played for years, any suggestions are beneficial but please keep it standard


    • Lands
    • 4 Lavaclaw reachs
    • 4 dragonskull summit
    • 6 mountain
    • 8 swamp
    • creatures
    • 4 Guul Specter
    • 3 hellfire mongrol
    • 3 hippy's
    • 3 Slavering nulls
    • Spells
    • 4 blightning
    • 4 duress
    • 3 mires toll
    • 4 lightning bolt
    • 4 hideous end
    • 3 quest for the nihil stone
    • 4 terminate
    •  

[Edited by gericault5 on 28/Mar/10 at 8:15PM]
Date Posted: Sun Mar/28/10 at 8:47pm

shamwow
Posts: 56
Joined: 26-Mar-10

Thanks.
Date Posted: Sun Mar/28/10 at 9:40pm

Wolfclan14
Posts: 461
Joined: 23-Jan-10

Gericault5: Its -1/-1 COUNTERS! When they attack the counters go into effect, not when they just sit there. So I would put the counters on it and they would be fine, if I give a  1/1 the counters I'll just sac it for the damage.
Date Posted: Sun Mar/28/10 at 9:56pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

i know its counters and what do you mean they just sit there.  If a -1/-1 counter is put on a 1/1 it becomes a 0/0 and a 2/1 becomes a 1/0.  and a creature with 0 toughness is sent to the graveyard as a statebased effect, which means you do not have a chance to sac it. or let it sit around.  so basically  when that counter hits any of your creature that creature is gone, dead, ka-put.


[Edited by gericault5 on 28/Mar/10 at 10:11PM]
Date Posted: Sun Mar/28/10 at 10:23pm

redringer8
Posts: 183
Joined: 28-Mar-10

Artifacts
4x Paradise Mantle
Creatures
4x Kederekt Creeper
4x Grixis Illusionist
3x Lightning Reaver
4x Grixis Grimblade
2x Thraximundar
Land
6x Island
5x Mountain
5x Swamp
4x Akoum Refuge
4x Jwar Isle Refuge
Planeswalkers
1x Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
Spells
2x Doom Blade
4x Swerve
4x Terminate
2x Brainbite
2x Soul Reap

this is my grixis deck any advice is well recieved
[Edited by redringer8 on 28/Mar/10 at 10:25PM]

[Edited by redringer8 on 29/Mar/10 at 7:22PM]
Date Posted: Mon Mar/29/10 at 2:43pm

Icuonuez
Posts: 241
Joined: 02-Mar-10

I would put in another Lightning Reaver and maybe Malfegor. Many people don't like him, but he's nice if you hold some of your lands and useless cards in your hand for a minute.
Date Posted: Mon Mar/29/10 at 7:18pm

redringer8
Posts: 183
Joined: 28-Mar-10

thanks for the advice and do you think i should add sadraxis specter

oh and what should i use for artifact/enchantment destruction

i dont plan on using Malfegor because i think i have enough kill spells to deal with really nasty creatures

ps. its not that i dont like Malfegor he would do awesome in a hellbent deck

[Edited by redringer8 on 29/Mar/10 at 7:39PM]
Date Posted: Mon Mar/29/10 at 7:40pm

redringer8
Posts: 183
Joined: 28-Mar-10

Wolfclan14

deadly recluse is a really good spider
Date Posted: Mon Mar/29/10 at 7:57pm

Wolfclan14
Posts: 461
Joined: 23-Jan-10

When a -1/-1 counter is put on a creature, it does not instantly take effect, the -1/-1 counter only activates when it attacks.
Date Posted: Mon Mar/29/10 at 8:03pm

redringer8
Posts: 183
Joined: 28-Mar-10

if a creature is reduced to 0 toughness it dies
Date Posted: Mon Mar/29/10 at 8:06pm

Wolfclan14
Posts: 461
Joined: 23-Jan-10

I know that, but it doesn't get the -1/-1 until it attacks!
Date Posted: Mon Mar/29/10 at 8:30pm

redringer8
Posts: 183
Joined: 28-Mar-10

whatever just drop the point
Date Posted: Mon Mar/29/10 at 10:33pm

shamwow
Posts: 56
Joined: 26-Mar-10

What is some cheap white mana acceleration.
Date Posted: Mon Mar/29/10 at 10:42pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

a counter is a marker that is place on a permanent that modifies that permanent.  in this case the modification is applied to the creatures power/toughness on layer 7d.  this is a continues effect that begins when the counter is applied.

 
Date Posted: Mon Mar/29/10 at 10:46pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

cheap white mana accel.  lets see off the top of my head, ravincas signets, endless horizons, white orchid, path to exile your own creatures, LAND TAX
Date Posted: Tue Mar/30/10 at 6:05am

Icuonuez
Posts: 241
Joined: 02-Mar-10

Redringer: If your deck focuses on damage, I would suggest Everlasting Torment. It's a mean little bastard. Sedraxis Specter isn't a must, as it would lean more towards a discard deck than a damage dealing deck.
Date Posted: Tue Mar/30/10 at 7:44pm

redringer8
Posts: 183
Joined: 28-Mar-10

Icuonuez
thanks for the advice
however I dont think im going to spend that much money on the deck all the expensive cards got bought for me

[Edited by redringer8 on 30/Mar/10 at 7:47PM]

[Edited by redringer8 on 30/Mar/10 at 7:47PM]
Date Posted: Tue Mar/30/10 at 9:21pm

redringer8
Posts: 183
Joined: 28-Mar-10

oh and i think i will add paradise mantle for mana acceleration however the only thing i can stick it on is grixis illusionist HELP
Date Posted: Tue Mar/30/10 at 9:45pm

Wolfclan14
Posts: 461
Joined: 23-Jan-10

Every time I play Everlasting Torment, my friend quits cause he he thinks its cheating. I hate it when he does that.


Anyway I can't decide actually what to work on. My Infinite deck, Spiders, or Dragons.
Date Posted: Tue Mar/30/10 at 9:48pm

redringer8
Posts: 183
Joined: 28-Mar-10

anyone know where i can get a everlasting torment for under $3
Date Posted: Tue Mar/30/10 at 9:52pm

Wolfclan14
Posts: 461
Joined: 23-Jan-10

Not really, do you have any local cards shops?
Date Posted: Tue Mar/30/10 at 9:56pm

redringer8
Posts: 183
Joined: 28-Mar-10

yah its called castle hill games but their prices are pretty random for rares
Date Posted: Tue Mar/30/10 at 9:58pm

Wolfclan14
Posts: 461
Joined: 23-Jan-10

Well, if I were you I would check there first. Then see if any of the other local players have one for cheap or a good trade. I think you last resort would be buying online.

I find that most card shops use the site Card Kingdom to get prices on rares and other cards. I check and an Everlasting Torment is about $4.50

Hope you can find one.
Date Posted: Tue Mar/30/10 at 10:01pm

redringer8
Posts: 183
Joined: 28-Mar-10

thanks for trying wolfclan and for your deck i hope you try spiders
Date Posted: Tue Mar/30/10 at 10:12pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

toad and troll.com and starcitygames.com both have it under $3 I have found great deals purchasing playsets on ebay

also I wouldn't go with the mantle I would use the ravinca signets.  also brainbite can go as a place for these, or go with divation or duress depend which one you are look for


[Edited by gericault5 on 30/Mar/10 at 10:16PM]
Date Posted: Tue Mar/30/10 at 10:14pm

redringer8
Posts: 183
Joined: 28-Mar-10

thanks gericault5
Date Posted: Wed Mar/31/10 at 4:57am

Icuonuez
Posts: 241
Joined: 02-Mar-10

I have a Dragon deck, and it's tournament ready... or it would be, but all the tournaments around here are standard XP. Dragon decks are good, but you tire of them quickly.
Date Posted: Wed Mar/31/10 at 8:01pm

redringer8
Posts: 183
Joined: 28-Mar-10


Main Deck (68 cards)
Artifacts
3x Izzet Signet
3x Rakdos Signet
Creatures
4x Kederekt Creeper
4x Grixis Illusionist
4x Lightning Reaver
4x Grixis Grimblade
2x Thraximundar
Enchantments
2x Everlasting Torment
Land
6x Island
6x Mountain
7x Swamp
4x Akoum Refuge
4x Jwar Isle Refuge
Planeswalkers
1x Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker
Spells
2x Doom Blade
4x Swerve
4x Terminate
2x Brainbite
2x Soul Reap
heres my updated grixis deck any further suggestions will be appreciated



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