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Title: Stupidly Overpowered cards that Annoy you
Date Posted: Mon Jan/23/12 at 11:37am

BebopDaBebop
Posts: 52
Joined: 21-Oct-10

This topic is about individual cards that bother you due to being overpowered, not specific card combos or anything like that.

My vote goes to the titans, at least in standard anyway. The titans bother me mostly for the excessive durpyness, and the fact that they are so imbalanced when it comes to the cost of mana. Take Grave Titan for example, 6 mana for a 6/6 deathtouch with two 2/2 zombies whenever he comes into play or attacks. To compare, it costs 4 mana just to make 2 2/2 zombie tokens as a sorcery. I think the Titans abilities should have been halfed, either only giving you 1 per trigger, or only triggering when attacking.
Date Posted: Mon Jan/23/12 at 12:14pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

I vote wurmcoil engine for most OP...but it's hypocritical because I run him in all my standard decks...that and batterskull...because artifacts are AWESOME!!!! ROAR!!!!!!!!
Date Posted: Mon Jan/23/12 at 12:40pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

myr galvanizer
Date Posted: Mon Jan/23/12 at 12:46pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

ashnod's cupon+R&D's Secret Lair

Who orders Chardoney at FNM?
Date Posted: Mon Jan/23/12 at 12:59pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Intruder Alarm. That is all.
Date Posted: Mon Jan/23/12 at 12:59pm

Jwrights
Posts: 45
Joined: 24-Nov-11

Khalni Hydra Something about an 8/8 trampler that i can play for damn near free most the time seems a bit much.
Date Posted: Mon Jan/23/12 at 1:41pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Emrakul cause I have an online deck with him and I waas attacked by him once when I only had 5 permanents. Overwhelming Stampede is another one cause you can use it with Blanchwood Armor. Then there's the Mindsculptor.
Date Posted: Mon Jan/23/12 at 2:46pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

FUCKING GRAFDIGGERS CAGE! IT ISNT EVEN OUT AND I ALREADY HATE IT!
Date Posted: Mon Jan/23/12 at 4:15pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Cloudpost when run in a game set along with a gameset of Glimmerpost.
Date Posted: Mon Jan/23/12 at 4:19pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Two-gun, you do know that because the errata is written on the card it isn't actually errata, it is part of the rules text.  Secret lair does not allow you to negate it.
Date Posted: Mon Jan/23/12 at 4:20pm

Chiefsizzlechest
Posts: 348
Joined: 18-Oct-10

Stifle, Voidslime, and Trickbind can all go die. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SHENANIGANS WITH NORAN!!!!!!!
Date Posted: Tue Jan/24/12 at 12:17am

BebopDaBebop
Posts: 52
Joined: 21-Oct-10

Wurmcoil is pretty derpy too, but the titans annoy me more because their abilities trigger when coming into play, and sometimes just one trigger is enough to completely turn the tide of battle, but getting it when it comes into play with a 6/6 body and triggers every time it attacks? F that. At least you can bounce a Wurmcoil.

Emrakul should be accompanied by just about any of the eldrazi. Annihilator is just a ridiculous mechanic.
Date Posted: Tue Jan/24/12 at 7:29am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

only sun titan seems overpowered.
Date Posted: Tue Jan/24/12 at 7:44am

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

@lin
Um....! Primeval titan?!
Date Posted: Tue Jan/24/12 at 8:05am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Sun Titan is fun. Primeval is OP though.
Date Posted: Tue Jan/24/12 at 9:44am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Though Primeval gives amazing mana ramp, it costs six to play, and at that point how much mana do you really need.
Date Posted: Tue Jan/24/12 at 9:45am

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Enought to hardcast gleemax
Date Posted: Tue Jan/24/12 at 9:51am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Mana isn't the only thing lands do.
Date Posted: Tue Jan/24/12 at 10:02am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Ahh, I didn't notice the lack of the word "basic"
Date Posted: Tue Jan/24/12 at 10:11am

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Sorry Grave is the most OP Titan.
Date Posted: Tue Jan/24/12 at 10:54am

Starship
Posts: 549
Joined: 13-Dec-11

 someone using dream halls to get out progenitus. hate that.


[Edited by Starship on 24/Jan/12 at 10:54AM]
Date Posted: Wed Jan/25/12 at 8:22pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

@narc

Nope!

Not even almost!
Date Posted: Wed Jan/25/12 at 8:54pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

@Pinkie
I just realized I should use Acidic Slime to destroy any noncreature problem I have, and that damned cage ruins it. RUINS IT! (I have to get some for my other decks).

I missed the Ravnica block due to college and I was considering returning when Prog. came out. I've yet to see it in action and I still detest that damned card. If it wasn't for the New Phyrexia set, I might not be here now.

I detest most planeswalkers (read ones with emblems and Jace). I also think Mindslaver was a horrible card to release where it was.

 
Date Posted: Wed Jan/25/12 at 9:02pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Sun, Primeval, Frost, THEN Grave Titan.
Date Posted: Wed Jan/25/12 at 9:16pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Eh, id say frost isnt as good as grave! And grave is definitely better than sun, mainly for its ability to get coffborg, or cradletemple! (Also vesuvakut, although most people dont play to abuse that!)
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 8:05am

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Doubling Season and Primordial Hydra.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 9:14am

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

I'd put Primeval first, then Sun a close second. I agree with Pinkie about tie for third with Frost and Grave. Then I'm going Sundering before I even think about Inferno.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 9:39am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I put Sun first because of Oblivion Ring.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 9:49am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

I CAN EDIT NAO!!!!ROAR!!!!!!



[Edited by DyingJester on 26/Jan/12 at 1:32PM]
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 9:49am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Ooops I meant...

Wurmcoil Engine > Any Titan
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 10:06am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

A: Edit button
B: Agreed
C: I enjoy using letters instead of numbers!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 12:17pm

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

Frost Titan can keep your Wurmcoil tapped 4 ever...
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 12:19pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

My browser for some stupid reason cannot view the edit button...I have no idea how to fix this issue either...it's been that way for quite some time. I have no idea how to fix this issue.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 12:40pm

BebopDaBebop
Posts: 52
Joined: 21-Oct-10

If I were to rate them I'd say Sun Titan > Primeval Titan > Wurmcoil Engine > Grave / Frost / Inferno

Sun Titan tops just for all the shenanigans you can pull with it, and Primeval Titan is just ridiculous, being able to search for ANY land, how often to you get that ability, let alone two at the same time? This is why I hate titans.

Also, it's probably why control is so popular, as counterspells are really the only sensible "counter" to titans, since all of them have abilities when coming into play.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 12:52pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Suns recurrence is really good, but its almost always conditional, whereas primevals is ALWAYS good, because you thin out your deck and get more mana, or you get to combo out (T&N palinchron, primetime, fetching urborg/coffers, infinite mana, win!)! Sun is synergystic with a lot of other cards though! Like oblivion ring, stasis, wayfarers bauble, fetchlands, this list would be super long if i listed everything, those are just the ones that i like the most!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 12:52pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Yeah, Wormcoil is better than the Titans.

Are you entering your name case-sensitive, Jester?
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 1:22pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

No...
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 1:27pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

ARE YOU KIDDING ME???!! THAT WAS TH ISSUE ZOMGWTFSWTHIIATMOT!!!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 1:27pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Primetime is better than wurmcoil imo!

@jester
Are you actually logged in or do you have to type your name every time you type a comment?!


Okay wait, are we talking standard or edh?! Because in standard wurmcoil is MUCH better than primeval!


[Edited by PinkamenaDianePie on 26/Jan/12 at 1:31PM]
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 1:31pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

No I could log in just fine...It's just the case sensitivity thing has blown my mind...
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 1:44pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I only figured it out the one time that I forgot to capitalize the T in my name.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 2:26pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

Squirrels!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 2:28pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Super annoying that any card thats foil and has the word "squirrel" on it is $5+!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 3:13pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Skidthryx the Blight Dragon.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 3:17pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Not really...a well placed dismember will stop the dragon...but if they are playing infect odds are the tempo will crush you (Assuming they are playing the B/G styled sligh), but it works fairly poorly against control.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 3:21pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Broodstar CAN be OP.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 3:37pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

I think almost any card can be OP if its built around, but for the card itself to be considered OP it needs to beable to benefit any deck its in.  That is if you take 5 random decks (in color of course) and put the card in them will they benefit all decks .

Sun Titan- Has great synergy with alot of cards but to really unlock that synergy it needs to be built around

Primeval- for alot of decks if your dropping 6 mana creatures you don't need alot more mana, now as pinkie said it thins the deck which helps alot and for that reason it ranks higher then sun titan

Frost- without a way to control how many creatures are on the field its not alot of help, so it needs to be built around.  Though in a head to head comparisson of only the titans its the best titan since it can lock down the others

inferno- while inferno can fit into any red deck, red should have the game won by 6 mana

Grave titan/wurmcoil- Both of these provide card advantage to any deck they are in, which puts them at the top of the list.  However, grave titan provides the advantage right when it comes in, so even if he is path to exiled you still have the extra creatures.  Wurmcoil doesn't have that option

So my list is Grave>wurmcoil>Primeval>Sun>frost>inferno

 
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 3:37pm

Giovan
Posts: 39
Joined: 07-Oct-11

Squadron Hawk in Standard. Because it's a card with a so simple and powerful mechanism, that any little brat with seven years manage to broke your legs due to the simplicity of this card.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 3:46pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Actually the most overpowered cards in the whole game are basic lands.

I support this fact with the following statement:

THEY ARE EVERYWHERE, THEY COST NO MANA, and THEY GENERATE MANA!

It's hax, no sacrifice for them, no condition just BAM! I CAN'T BE COUNTERSPELLED CUZ I'M A LAND! I'M TERRAIN, I'M AN ECOSYSTEM! I AM...

Okay...you probably get the point by now...so yeah...I know it was in poor taste...but what do you expect my employers only let me work 16 hours this week...GOD DAMN CORPORATE WHORES!!!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 3:48pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

They die to stone rain
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 3:53pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Ban islands!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 4:38pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Kill your boss!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 4:38pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Eat the world!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 4:42pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Burn EVERYTHING!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 5:18pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Time Warp, Black Lotus, Silence, Mindslaver, Meddling Mage and Shimian Spector.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 6:29pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Mindslaver is good, but not overpowered.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 6:34pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Shimian Specter. Whenever it deals combat damage to a player Memoricide.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 7:13pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Memoricide isnt very good....!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 8:35pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

BULLCRAP
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 8:55pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

It's not bullcrap.  there are cards that do the same thing for the same cost without the guest work, such as eradicate, scour, quash...  Thought Hemorrage does the same thing plus does extra damage.  and if you want to pass  up the guess work like your saying with shimian scepter, you can do the same thing with gitaxan probe and surgical extraction
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 9:36pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I agree with Gericault. There are cheaper ways to perform the same function.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 9:40pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

And even then the function isn't going to be gamebreaking most of the time
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 10:10pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

I gotta say honestly memoricide is a decent sideboard tool. Not gamebreaking, but not totally bad.


[Edited by DyingJester on 26/Jan/12 at 10:11PM]
Date Posted: Thu Jan/26/12 at 10:15pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

It is very game breaking when playing agianst any deck that you are familiar with.
Date Posted: Fri Jan/27/12 at 10:52am

Starship
Posts: 549
Joined: 13-Dec-11

protean hulk is stupidly overpowered. you can just search for a titan or wurmcoil with it.
Date Posted: Fri Jan/27/12 at 11:01am

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Heh protean hulk= 12 Kobolds 4 ornithopters 4 shield spheres 4 memnites and one 6 mana creature

25 Cards for the price of one


[Edited by Twogunkid on 27/Jan/12 at 11:02AM]
Date Posted: Fri Jan/27/12 at 1:07pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Not going to mention one of the best variants?! No love for Lobotomy?!

And Protean hulk=stupid! Flash is also stupid though!
Date Posted: Fri Jan/27/12 at 1:27pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Stupid in an awesome way!
Date Posted: Fri Jan/27/12 at 1:28pm

BebopDaBebop
Posts: 52
Joined: 21-Oct-10

@ gericault



I'm not sure "benefits random decks" is the best way to compare. I'd say
the better way to compare is to make two very similar decks, except one
has the card in question and the other does not. Then note the
difference that particular card makes when it is cast.



Considering all the awesome cards white has that's 3cmc or less, getting
one for free when casting or when Sun Titan attacks, will almost
assuredly win you the game. This is what I mean by stupidly overpowered.



The same can be said for Primeval. A 6/6 with trample for six mana is
already awesome, but the massive amount of mana you can get in the
process pretty much ensures that anything you draw for the rest of the
game you'll be able to cast. And that's not even counting the fact that
it's ANY land. Again, derpy card wins games.



Take Wurmcoil, a 6/6 for 6 colorless mana is almost unheard of by
itself, but including deathtouch and lifelink, and breaks into a 3/3
deathtouch and 3/3 lifelink when it dies? How much more derpy can you
get?



Yes, every card in existence has some way to get around and to counter,
but that's no excuse for making a card so obsurdly powerful. It's just
bad design. Especially when Wizards still thinks it's a good idea to
make more "hill giants" (Russet Wolves).



I'm not opposed to the idea of mythic rares, I just don't like the idea
of cards being designed specifically to win games, which the titans and
wurmcoil seem designed to do. Skaab Ruinator, Tree of Redemption, and
Army of the Damned are all good mythics in my opinion, as they are
powerful but not game-breaking.
Date Posted: Fri Jan/27/12 at 1:53pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

-.-

Wizards isnt making promo mythics anymore...! Im so butthurt!
Date Posted: Fri Jan/27/12 at 3:05pm

BebopDaBebop
Posts: 52
Joined: 21-Oct-10

I'm not sure if that was a reply to me, but if so, then I've never gotten a promo card before so how can I feel "butthurt" over something I've never gotten in the first place?

I just think overpowered cards ruin the game for a lot of people. It's not just me, I know there's a lot of casual players out there who wouldn't even think about going to FNM for the same reason, that they'd just get stomped on by really expensive mythic rares.

For the record, I own a few mythic rares including a planeswalker, and most of them go unused because I just don't consider them fun, not to play with, and not to play against.

To each his own I guess. I just wish MTGO had a real "casual" playroom, because "casual" in mtgo don't mean diddly.
Date Posted: Fri Jan/27/12 at 3:25pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

It wasnt a reply to anyone, it was me being mad because wizard isnt making promo mythics anyomore....! Of course they can make $200 reserved cards into judge foils...!

-.-
Date Posted: Fri Jan/27/12 at 4:40pm

T}{3 0l\l3 VV}{0 1S
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Protean hulk isn't broken or OP, its just really good. I enjoy bloacking a big nasty with it and pulling my entire graft deck out (because the total is a power of zero!).
Date Posted: Fri Jan/27/12 at 5:52pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

What's so special about judge foils?
Date Posted: Fri Jan/27/12 at 6:19pm

Chiefsizzlechest
Posts: 348
Joined: 18-Oct-10

If Im correct they are foil reprints that the judges of the Big Magic tournaments get. and ONLY they get them
Date Posted: Sat Jan/28/12 at 1:34am

BebopDaBebop
Posts: 52
Joined: 21-Oct-10

Reprints and promos, are those actually playable in tournaments and stuff?

I'm just curious. I only have one, a promo of Thopter Assembly. I bought some cards at a local shop for a thopter deck, and they gave me one for free.

If you can use them in tournaments I'm surprised they ever made mythic rare promos.
Date Posted: Sat Jan/28/12 at 10:25am

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Yes, all promo cards are playable in any format in which the card is legal!

And yes, only lvl 2 judges get judge promos! And some of them are stupid expensive, and some of them kinda suck....!
Date Posted: Sat Jan/28/12 at 8:59pm

Narcinek War-Rider
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I  was paraphrasing when I said Shimian Spector Memoricided. What it actully does is when it  deals combat damage to a player look at their hand. Choose a card from it. Exile it and all cards with the same name from their hand, library and graveyard.
Date Posted: Sat Jan/28/12 at 9:01pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Regardless...!

And when you memoricide, the card doesnt have to be in their hand!
Date Posted: Sun Jan/29/12 at 3:51pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Lashwrithe when hooked onto the right creature. Like Vault Skirge or Needle Specter.
Date Posted: Sun Jan/29/12 at 6:02pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Herp derp, phyrexian crusader?! Just maybe?!
Date Posted: Wed Feb/01/12 at 2:54pm

BebopDaBebop
Posts: 52
Joined: 21-Oct-10

I will concur about Phrexian Crusader. Three mana for a 2/2 infect is already decent, but pro red/white means it will massively hose red and white decks. And since it's black, it's already immune to a lot of black removal. An infect creature that's immune to all red burn spells, all white removal spells, and a fairly large chunk of black removal is just plain ridiculous.
Date Posted: Wed Feb/01/12 at 4:01pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

No, i was saying that if youre going to equip a lashwrithe to something, it should have infect!
Date Posted: Wed Feb/01/12 at 7:49pm

krowbar28
Posts: 434
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I would have to say Krark-Clan Iron Works and Myr Retriever are starting to annoy me quite a bit.

[Edited by krowbar28 on 1/Feb/12 at 8:30PM]
Date Posted: Wed Feb/01/12 at 8:19pm

Chiefsizzlechest
Posts: 348
Joined: 18-Oct-10

you dont say?
Date Posted: Wed Feb/01/12 at 8:31pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Well...he kinda did...XD
Date Posted: Wed Feb/01/12 at 8:40pm

Chiefsizzlechest
Posts: 348
Joined: 18-Oct-10

Nonsense!!! I call Shenanigans.
Date Posted: Wed Feb/01/12 at 9:01pm

krowbar28
Posts: 434
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Oh yeah I said it.
Date Posted: Wed Feb/01/12 at 9:18pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Obliterate.
Date Posted: Wed Feb/01/12 at 9:21pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Let me get this right. You're talking about the 8 costing one that just destroys permanents, right?
Date Posted: Wed Feb/01/12 at 9:29pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Yes. And Life's Finale too.
Date Posted: Wed Feb/01/12 at 9:32pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Life's Finale is just a Damnation that costs two extra mana. I guess it takes out some creatures too, but still. . .

[Edited by Turbine on 1/Feb/12 at 9:32PM]
Date Posted: Mon Feb/06/12 at 6:40pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Emrakul



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