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Title: Ideas for an ally deck.
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 3:30am

Goemon
Posts: 46
Joined: 23-Nov-11

I have an ally deck.
Vintage format.


All colors.
No problem of mana, I have no basic lands in it.
Ancient Ziggurats, thran quarrys , exotic orchards, lotus vale, reflecting pools, and one each of three colors mana producing lands such as Jungle shrine, arcane sanctum, etc.

A good mana boost is given by 4 Harabaz druid.

All other cards are allies, except for:

- 1 x legacy weapon
- 1 x congregation at dawn
- 2 x defense of the heart
- 1 x Venser, the sojourner
- 1 x Mayael's aria

There's a bunch of low costing allies ( kazandu blademasters, hada freeblades, Umara raptors, Ondu clerics, Jwari shapeshifters ), followed by kazuul warlords, hagra diabolists, Sea gate loremaster.

Any ideas to make it better?
I'm not interested in counterspells/ , I don't like that kind of play.

I think Congregation at dawn and Mayael's aria can be replaced ( but they proved to be useful many times ).
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 8:57am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Hmmm..could you post a decklist? Without an exact blueprint it would be tough to reccomend anything. On a side note, kudos on playing the umara raptor. Its a good card.
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 9:08am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Consider adding in a momentary blink.  And I would consider adding in Conflux (the card) being able to grab 5 cards of your choosing would make a great finisher (maybe replace legacy weapon).  But yeah, post a deck list.

I am not very good a building ally decks.
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 10:22am

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Murasa Pyromancer and Tuktuk Scrabbler.
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 10:38am

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

Good suggestion Mechanist! I never would of thought of using Allies in an Ally deck!

On a serious note, a really fun card to add in is Warp World. All of the allies that you draw out enter at the same time and trigger and it can be pretty amusing. It's obviously not very consistent but it can be a hail mary if all else fails.
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 11:21am

MemeMaster
Posts: 60
Joined: 04-Jan-12

Nah, incorporating allies into an ally deck is too difficult.
Instead, try using your resources to construct additional pylons...
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 1:50pm

Goemon
Posts: 46
Joined: 23-Nov-11

I'd like suggestion on cards that are not allies, but works great with them.

Momentary blink is interesting, but why not planar guide, if I look for that type of effect?

Conflux:  VERY good drawing effect, but 8 mana.....  I must think about it.

Here the decklist:

Kazandu blademaster x 3
Kazuul warlord x 3
Talus paladin x 4
Kabira evangel x 2
Legacy weapon x 2
Congregation at dawn x 1
Oran rief survivalist x 3
Hada freeblade x 4
Defense of the heart x 2
Umara raptor x 4
Hagra diabolist x 3
Venser the sojourner x 1
Harabaz druid x 4
Ondu cleric x 1
Murasa pyromancer x 1
Jwari shapeshifter x 1
Tuktuk scrapper x 1
Sea gate loremaster x 1
Mayael's aria x 1
Agadeem occultist x 1



I think I can remove:
- Kabiira evangel x 1
- Congregation at dawn x 1
- Mayael's aria x 1
- Agadeem occultist x 1
- Oran rief survivalist x 1

If I remove allies, I'd like to add other allies. But I already would like to add another ondu cleric and another jwari shapeshifter. So, let's think about two or three other cards to add.

What about demonic tutor and doubling season?
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 2:47pm

T}{3 0l\l3 VV}{0 1S
Posts: 178
Joined: 10-Jun-11

Well, if this deck is real (not proxied, not digital) and you aren't going all out, then i would recommend cards like coalition victory (just one, though) and conflux, but if this isn't real, then you would want 4 of those cards that tap to draw on for each ally and for of the ones that tap for any color equal to the number of allies, a well as those ones that mill, copy, gain life, deal damage, and cause loss of life. Oh, and 2 Gaea's cradles and 2 laboratory maniacs. Then, your deck can have a bunch of goals. Draw out + L.M., damage + life loss, gain life until they scoop, mill them out, etc. I once proxied an ally deck, and decided to leave out the red. Just so you know.
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 3:01pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

If this deck is ACTUALLY for vintage, i would suggest adding 1 of each mox, a black lotus, a tolarian academy, a time walk, a sol ring, and a mana crypt, but if you realize that this is actually a legacy deck, i might suggest adding different cards! Also its hard to help if you dont post the list!
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 4:04pm

Goemon
Posts: 46
Joined: 23-Nov-11

The deck is real. I have 30 decks so far, no proxies, no digital. ( except 4 underground sea, that I bought from ebay misreading the auction )

I can take pictures, if necessary.  :-)

Coalition victory is useless. I will never have a land of each basic land type.
I listed the lands I have in.

I will think about your suggestions, but I don't want to renounce to combat damage.

Why different cards if the deck is not real?


Pinkiepie:
I don't ACTUALLY play in vintage tournaments. I just play with some friends, and we don't bother ourselves looking when a card was printed. Simply we respect banned and restricted cards of vintage.

I don't have much money problems, but almost every card you mentioned ( except sol ring ) is far too expensive for me.

Do you own that kind of cards? Good for you.
I have to keep my feets on the ground.

Anyway, a couple of posts above you can see the decklist.
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 4:14pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

The point i was making, is that why would you play in vintage, if nothing youre playing is on the legacy ban list, and vintage games are over by turn 2 95% of the time! Or, why not just play it casual?!

I would take out congregation, aria, ondu cleric, and some other stuff to put in another blademaster and 4x aether vial!
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 6:27pm

Giovan
Posts: 39
Joined: 07-Oct-11

Goemon, Pinkie listed these cards because you writed "Vintage" instead of "Casual with Vintage list", this sounds like you're going to competitive Vintage matches, not a casual game.

And Pinkie is right, in competitive Vintage, a deck without only 1 restricted card... it sucks.
Date Posted: Sat Jan/07/12 at 2:52am

Goemon
Posts: 46
Joined: 23-Nov-11

Ok....

Vintage allowed cards, but non competitive play.

All of my decks ( and my friends ones too ) are that way.

And usually we don't buy cards that cost over $ 15 / 20

Aether vial is not too useful in my opinion, since I usually empty my hands soon.
But I have one, I'll test it.


[Edited by Goemon on 7/Jan/12 at 3:27AM]