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Title: Boldwyr Heavyweights
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 5:02pm

elan_morin_tedronai
Posts: 2
Joined: 05-Jan-12

I know it's probably stupid, but follow me on this: it is written that when Boldwyr comes, each opponent draws a card and then each player shuffles the deck. I think it's a bit misleading. The two players are opponents to each other, so I think that it means that each player draws a creature and puts in on the battlefield. I think it's very misleading and I need to know from a legitimate source, because I kind of played it while I can and while I can't do it. I read some places on the internet that players play it on and others who do not. So, which is the right way to do it? Only the other opponent - or me and the opponent? Because it changes a hell lot if I can draw another one in the line.

Enlighten me brothers!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 5:32pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

I honestly cannot tell what youre saying!

Have you read the card?!

When Boldwyr Heavyweights comes into play, each opponent may search his or her library for a creature card and put it into play. Then each player who searches his or her library this way shuffles it.

There isnt much to be interpreted here! When it enters the battlefield, any of your opponents can play a creature from their library! Anyone who did it shuffles their library! Thats it!
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 5:37pm

elan_morin_tedronai
Posts: 2
Joined: 05-Jan-12

Well, the problem with the word "opponent"... You are opponent of the player you are playing with as well he is your opponent. And this "each opponent draws a creature card". Usually this game is played by two. I just think it is very misleading. Probably I am totally wrong...
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 6:06pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Well theres no drawing involved at all! And since you play the card, its your opponents! Its not any player who is the opponent of another player, because that would just be everyone!

edit: Sorry if any of that came out sounding mean, i just understand the card, and lacking any sort of empathy, fail to comprehend how anybody else could not get it!

[Edited by PinkiePie on 5/Jan/12 at 8:22PM]
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 8:32pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I would answer if I could understand your writing.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 8:53pm

MemeMaster
Posts: 60
Joined: 04-Jan-12

What is this I don't even.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 9:54pm

krowbar28
Posts: 434
Joined: 18-Oct-10

I go poo-poo on the Boldwyr...like chocolate milk rain
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 11:10pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Okay, I can see a fundamental misunderstanding of MtG syntax, first off if an effect applies to everyone or anyone than the word "player" is the key word.  If an effect only applies to players who are not considered your "allies" than the key word is "opponent."  If an effect only affects the one who casts it, the key word might be "you" or "your."

Now that was the easy part, here it gets a little more complicated, if an effect does use any of those key words, than you must determine the implied keyword.  If an effect has the word target in it, than you assume "player" as an invisible word (ex: "deal 3 damage to target creature" could be read "deal 3 damage to target creature controlled by a player").  If an effect doesn't specify a key word and tells you to preform an action (draw cards, gain life, etc.) than it only effects you.  Any universal effect that doesn't have a key word is assumed to effect everything (creatures get -1/-1, spells cost {1} more to play). 

Now I must ask if you really need the ruling on this, being that it is considered such an obvious thing finding it is actually very difficult.  I know that it is in there somewhere, just not where.
Date Posted: Thu Jan/05/12 at 11:51pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

You control the card. It means your opponents, not your opponents' opponents.
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 2:58pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Im sure theres no ruling on THIS card specifically, but im sure theres a ruling that if a card says oponent its referring to the player who controls the cards opponents!
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 9:40pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I thought opponents would be a given idea. The person you are playing against. (Although it changes in multiplayer formats)
Date Posted: Fri Jan/06/12 at 9:45pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Yep, it seems pretty simple, but apparently it isnt!



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