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Title: what do u think are the most usless cards ever
Date Posted: Tue Nov/22/11 at 4:55pm

leothelion
Posts: 31
Joined: 22-Nov-11

vizzerdrix 6/6 7 mana blue no abilities
Date Posted: Tue Nov/22/11 at 8:29pm

Boyachi
Posts: 1553
Joined: 02-Nov-11

Pale moon. I have no idea why that thing was a rare.
Date Posted: Tue Nov/22/11 at 8:34pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Pale Moon I can imagine being a great sideboarder.
Date Posted: Tue Nov/22/11 at 8:37pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Pale moon is something you put on isochron scpeter to ruin most opponents, by blasting them in their upkeep every turn. Pale moon is amazing! Worthless card? There are none. There are however cards that are better than others Elite Vanguard or Devouted Hero>Eager Cadet
Date Posted: Tue Nov/22/11 at 8:43pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

And to explain why it is a rare, it is this, the original purpose of rarity was to make it so the rarer cards weren't "better" but just more difficult to use.  This is why Counterspell was common in Ice age.

As far as useless cards go, I stand firmly that there is one:
Date Posted: Tue Nov/22/11 at 8:45pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Its a combo card, good for creatures you've got control of till end of turn.
Date Posted: Tue Nov/22/11 at 8:45pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Oh and vizdrix isn't useless, its just bad.  Though you should remember that at the time it was released a 6/6 was one of the most powerful creatures you could get (this was the time when craw wurm was considered good).

Remember that they have been making creatures progressively better and better.
Date Posted: Tue Nov/22/11 at 9:29pm

Torto
Posts: 148
Joined: 25-Jun-11

I already posted this in an equal topic in this site, but since I hate very much this card, I will post it every time that someone make that question:
Date Posted: Wed Nov/23/11 at 4:01pm

leothelion
Posts: 31
Joined: 22-Nov-11

i still feel vizzardrix is useless even during that time why would you waste a spot in a blue deck for a waste like that the point of having a blue deck in my opion is control where the  strength aspect of the vizzardrix is a good control method i feel it lacks the finese and style that i love about blue
Date Posted: Wed Nov/23/11 at 6:38pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Control still needs a way to win. You can't counter an opponent to death (literally). Vizzerdrix is a 6/6 attacker.
Date Posted: Wed Nov/23/11 at 9:42pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Whoa there! Great wall is a combo peice in turbo great wall, possibly the best combo ever

Vizzerdix: I think it might be fun to build a mono blue vanilla creature deck! I know craw-blade is a ton of fun!
Date Posted: Thu Nov/24/11 at 2:13am

Thrax-n-Plunder
Posts: 1
Joined: 24-Nov-11

Most useless rares ever:

One with Nothing
Steamflogger Boss
Nix

Yeah yeah I know nix can counter the best card ever but it's a dead card 99% of the time. One with nothing obviously sucks. Steamflogger boss is a tease. Scornful egotist didn't make the list cause he's begging for a combo.

Also, I used to hate seeing dragon appeasement in Alara drafts. Why does it cost 6?????
Date Posted: Thu Nov/24/11 at 9:04am

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

One with nothing has plenty of uses. Hellbent deck. Reanimator/suspend deck. Flashback deck. unearth deck. And with hive mind. Nix is a decent sideboard card, because it can counter the pacts, suspended cards, and now tih rofftop storm any cards played with it. And of course the boss will have future uses....
Date Posted: Thu Nov/24/11 at 1:32pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Keep in mind that steamflogger is still a 3/3 for 4
Date Posted: Thu Nov/24/11 at 1:55pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

How about that creature that hurts you when it takes damage?
Date Posted: Thu Nov/24/11 at 2:03pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

There's a bunch, and there are uses. Repay in kind decks for example. Keep in mind they also tend to be cheap big creatures. Like the black 4/4 for 1B that deals damage to you equal to the damage it takes.
Date Posted: Thu Nov/24/11 at 2:07pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I thought that was a 3/3 for 3 with that ability. . .
Date Posted: Thu Nov/24/11 at 2:07pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

well thats less useful, but I could make it work.
Date Posted: Fri Nov/25/11 at 12:02pm

Torto
Posts: 148
Joined: 25-Jun-11

@Pinkie: I think that's incredible that you founded a use for Great Wall, REALLY incredible.... a junk like this have a use after all, hilarious.
Date Posted: Fri Nov/25/11 at 2:14pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

Even with a combo Great Wall is still useless.
Date Posted: Fri Nov/25/11 at 2:16pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Its a sideboard card. Its not great however there are instances where you might want to have it.
Date Posted: Wed Nov/30/11 at 11:42am

BebopDaBebop
Posts: 52
Joined: 21-Oct-10

No love for Wood Elemental?
Date Posted: Wed Nov/30/11 at 11:45am

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Wood elemental plus Life and limb in a fungus deck

Easy fatty
Date Posted: Wed Nov/30/11 at 9:53pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

I used to run a great wall in one of my old white/blue life/counter decks, I'd combine it with a mind bend to stop any landwalking, but that was when merfolk decks were popular.
Date Posted: Wed Nov/30/11 at 10:05pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Isnt merfolk still played in modern and legacy?!
Date Posted: Wed Nov/30/11 at 10:08pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Yes, but less popular than right after the time spiral block
Date Posted: Wed Nov/30/11 at 11:29pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Most importantly the number of merfolk decks based around phantasmal terrain/lord of atlantis has drop drastically.
Date Posted: Sat Dec/03/11 at 1:42pm

MagicalHacker
Posts: 31
Joined: 03-Sep-11

mountain
Date Posted: Sat Dec/03/11 at 3:00pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

My coolness overrides your paraspriting!
Date Posted: Mon Dec/12/11 at 10:32am

epicwizardrage
Posts: 17
Joined: 24-Oct-11

Scornful egotist is obviously the best card in magic. strait up.
Date Posted: Mon Dec/12/11 at 11:12am

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

I never understood that card.
Date Posted: Mon Dec/12/11 at 12:34pm

epicwizardrage
Posts: 17
Joined: 24-Oct-11

it was originally made to go with ancient ooze, cabal conditioning and a couple other cards from scourge. now it's forever destined to be that one reject card that you love and hate at the same time.
Date Posted: Mon Dec/12/11 at 3:11pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I love it with cards whose abilities are determined by a creature's CMC.
Date Posted: Mon Dec/12/11 at 3:20pm

epicwizardrage
Posts: 17
Joined: 24-Oct-11

it's the only thing that scornful egotist is good for, besides lols.
Date Posted: Mon Dec/12/11 at 3:51pm

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

Saw this one and thought... nice rare... NOT:
Date Posted: Mon Dec/12/11 at 8:37pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

oohh, I used that card in my old blue powerhouse deck, pull sneak a guy through and buff him, I couldn't really afford to splash another color.  When I got the cards for it I would put it on non-mana producing land.
Date Posted: Tue Dec/13/11 at 10:42am

Starship
Posts: 549
Joined: 13-Dec-11

one of the worst is definitely Colossus of Sardia.

I have no idea why this card is a rare or why it was reprinted three times after antiquities.



[Edited by Starship on 13/Dec/11 at 10:47AM]
Date Posted: Tue Dec/13/11 at 11:28am

Gregorius
Posts: 411
Joined: 01-Aug-10

You can still easily offset the need to tap (and therefore, untap) Colossus of Sardia if you use cards like Vigilance, Quest for Renewal or Accorder's Shield, Starship.
Date Posted: Tue Dec/13/11 at 12:56pm

Starship
Posts: 549
Joined: 13-Dec-11

well and now that i think about it, you could just untap it with voltaic key. all in all though it's really only good for lols.
Date Posted: Tue Dec/13/11 at 2:22pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

If it had cost 7, it might be worthwhile. It's used in a few combos though, with
Date Posted: Wed Dec/14/11 at 5:51pm

Starship
Posts: 549
Joined: 13-Dec-11

oh and polar kraken is pretty terrible too. and to think that it's rare...
Date Posted: Wed Dec/14/11 at 5:58pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Its not terrible, but i really wish panglacial wurm worked like people always think it does...!
Date Posted: Wed Dec/14/11 at 7:36pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

First I ran the colossus in my red power ramp deck (which was pretty badass)  it isn't a bad card by old standards (awesome for dealing with those pesky craw wurms).

Next Polar Kraken is an awesome card for the same reason that Leviathan is, in an old blue counter control deck, you would build up massive amounts of mana with no good way of killing someone, and since a counterspell only costs 2 mana there was no real need for 9, pull out a Kraken and kill them in two turns.  Also remember that up until they printed Krosan Cloudscraper that kraken was the most powerful creature in the game.

Lastly, (I think I'm explaining this for the 8th time or something) rare cards weren't intended to be better than common cards, they were supposed to be harder to use, or less useful to have a bunch of (yes the power nine and a few others were exceptions to this rule, but that was before collectors existed and while Ante was a rule).  After all you wouldn't want to get 6 Krakens would you?  Common cards are common because they fit well into more decks.  For example grizzly bears is possibly one of the best creatures in the early sets (very arguable, but work with me here) but they are common, because any green deck (or any deck with green for that matter) could easily throw one in there and use it effectively.  Whereas channel a card that a first glance doesn't seem very useful is rare.  Channel is only "better" because a creative deck builder knows to pair it with fireball (another good example of a common) to preform a near instant kill.

p.s. I don't really know about mythic rares, but it seems to me like they use that for overpowered cards, not difficult to use cards.
Date Posted: Thu Dec/15/11 at 8:22am

Starship
Posts: 549
Joined: 13-Dec-11

i understand why cards are chosen to be rares, but i still think that it needs to be said that cards like the colossus and and polar kraken are ineffective in edh and in competitive legacy.  Also llanowar elves is in my opinion the best early set creature.

[Edited by Starship on 15/Dec/11 at 8:23AM]
Date Posted: Thu Dec/15/11 at 9:48am

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

*Cough* Birds of Paradise *Cough*
Date Posted: Thu Dec/15/11 at 10:47am

Starship
Posts: 549
Joined: 13-Dec-11

It somehow managed to slip my mind that birds of paradise has been
printed so many times. lol summon mana birds.
Date Posted: Thu Dec/15/11 at 5:48pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

The fact that the cards are not good now is a simple product of wizards progressively making spells weaker and creatures more powerful (especially in blue).
Date Posted: Thu Dec/15/11 at 6:09pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

FUCKING CONSECRATED SPHINX.
Date Posted: Thu Dec/15/11 at 8:43pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

*BUCKING



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