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Title: Kiki Jiki Question
Date Posted: Sun Oct/16/11 at 9:15pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

If I use his ability on a licid and then attach the licid to something meaning it becomes an enchant creature do I still have to sacrafice it?
Date Posted: Mon Oct/17/11 at 7:26am

Darth_Mahruk
Posts: 109
Joined: 07-Sep-11

Wow....I have no idea. I think we would need a rules guru on this one (Gericault?).
I think it would all depend on whether or not Kiki-Jiki's sacrifice it at end of turn applies to the token or only to a creature. Since the licid wouldn't be a creature any longer, does Kiki-Jiki require its sacrifice, or, because it's an enchantment, that it's no longer a viable target for a sacrifice creature effect....

All that aside, it is a great thought for a combo! We'll just have to wait and see what the judges make of it...
Date Posted: Mon Oct/17/11 at 8:23am

rav514
Posts: 329
Joined: 02-Dec-10

While I'm not a judge and have been wrong before I believe you would still sacrifice the token. it just ceases being a creature token and becomes a creature enchantment token, but it never left a zone. Since it never left a zone, it's still targeted by anything that was when it was a creature. The only things that would be invalidated are thiings that have to target a creature. Since u can sac an enchantment, you still have to. IMO
Date Posted: Mon Oct/17/11 at 8:57am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

It go bye bye

Rav is partial correct it needs to change zones to save it, changing charateristics is not enough.  However nothing is targeting it

Basically Kiki gives the token a delayed trigger to sac it at the end of turn.  So to put this in laymans terms the token comes into play with all of the orignals text, as well as the text "Sacrifice Name of token at the beginning of the next end step"  The dominating licid might be a enchantment now but its still called dominating licid
Date Posted: Mon Oct/17/11 at 9:10am

Darth_Mahruk
Posts: 109
Joined: 07-Sep-11

Would maybe Stifle on a stick work?
Date Posted: Mon Oct/17/11 at 9:21am

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Oh well, it was a thought
Date Posted: Mon Oct/17/11 at 9:43am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

@darth

stifle will keep it alive until the next endstep
Date Posted: Mon Oct/17/11 at 5:02pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Or you could waste 1 mana every turn and use sundial of the infinite!
Date Posted: Mon Oct/17/11 at 5:03pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Actually thats really good... You could copy licids or any creature and they would stay. That's actually very useful Pinkie.
Date Posted: Mon Oct/17/11 at 5:05pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

<3
Date Posted: Mon Oct/17/11 at 6:11pm

rav514
Posts: 329
Joined: 02-Dec-10

No they won't kiki jiki say's remove them at the end "OF THE TURN" not "END OF YOUR TURN". If you use the dial on your turn, you'd keep them and then they would die on your opponents end phase.
Date Posted: Mon Oct/17/11 at 6:15pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Blast it.
Date Posted: Tue Oct/18/11 at 3:03pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

Well its actually "Sacrifice it at the beginning of the next end step." but yeah, they still die! You could use them for blockers though! And your still controlling your opponents creatures through their turn!



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