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Title: How to handle vampire combo.
Date Posted: Mon Sep/05/11 at 8:27am

RichardRahl
Posts: 11
Joined: 05-Sep-11

My friend has a mono black vamp deck.  I hav e a HARD F'ing time against it.  He has a Kalastria Highborn Bloodghast and Vicera Seer out at the same time almost every game.  I usually play against him with my venser control, or eldrazi, but i never have a "answer" to that combo.  Even if i wipe the board, i take a lot of damage from the highborn, and he scrys, AND the bloodghast will be back next turn more than likely.  Any reccomendations on how to handle that situation?

Thanks

"Your Life Is Yours and Yours Alone.  RISE UP AND LIVE IT."
Date Posted: Mon Sep/05/11 at 8:34am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Engineered Plague/Leyline of the Void/Linvala, Keeper of Silence/counters of all sorts
Date Posted: Mon Sep/05/11 at 9:47am

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

I usually just punch them in the face when they play a deck I don't like.  Never see it again. 

I wouldn't suggest anyone try that though.  lol
Date Posted: Mon Sep/05/11 at 10:22am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Surgical extraction...
Date Posted: Mon Sep/05/11 at 11:53am

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

In my experience, the best response to a vamp deck is a mono white deck with aggressive life gain. Vampire decks can easily run out of steam, and white has the best access to exiling spells, which is a good way to rid yourself of Bloodghasts. Also, pound your opponent with fliers. Other than Vampire Nighthawks, most vampire decks have little creatures with flying. That can force your opponent to waste his doomblades/Go for the throats on your little 2 cost 2/2s. Also, I might suggest cards like wall of omens, which can keep up momentum for you as well as block bloodghasts without sending them to the grave to be targets for the highborns. If nothing works though, just wait a month when half of his deck rotates out (assuming this is standard of course).
Date Posted: Mon Sep/05/11 at 12:04pm

rav514
Posts: 329
Joined: 02-Dec-10

Wait till he gets all 3 out and use the following combo. As an alternate option you Counterspell them instead but since they are all cheap to cast i suggest letting him get them out.



Don't worry about not getting them all. Just build a mass removal deck and blow up the world. Since your gutting him a little every time he'll be afraid to put anything down.
Date Posted: Mon Sep/05/11 at 12:39pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I don't think he was looking for an entirely new deck. . .

I think he was looking for a modification to one of his decks.
Date Posted: Mon Sep/05/11 at 1:20pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

Well honestly, Eldrazi decks aren't going to win against a well built vampire deck, they're just too slow, and often require a lot of mana to spend into a big creature that's just going to get a doom blade the second it gets out. As for Venser control, there are a lot of good Venser combos that can exile your opponents creatures, like using oblivion ring and sundial of the infinite. You would think that plently of blue counters and white exiles should stall until Venser can get his ultimate off. But i'm sure that you've tried every Venser trick in the book. That's why sometimes you just have to start from scratch and look at new deck ideas.
Date Posted: Mon Sep/05/11 at 1:51pm

rav514
Posts: 329
Joined: 02-Dec-10

@Turbine - He didn't specify. He asked for a way to stop that combo and i gave him one.

@Richardrahl- If you want something to slow him down for your venser deck try adding Phyrexian Unlife. Since the highborn's effect is life loss and not "damage" it doesn't get converted to infect so you don't get the poison counters. He's can still attack you though, so you'll need to be able to handle combat somehow. But that will stop him killing you with the highborn's ability.


Ps. Nice handle, Always liked that series



[Edited by rav514 on 5/Sep/11 at 2:30PM]
Date Posted: Mon Sep/05/11 at 3:00pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10


Kill em' first
Date Posted: Mon Sep/05/11 at 3:21pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

You can use this:
Date Posted: Mon Sep/05/11 at 3:55pm

rav514
Posts: 329
Joined: 02-Dec-10

LOL, you forgot black lotus.
Date Posted: Mon Sep/05/11 at 6:21pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

Yea, you're playing White and you know the combo is really on Kalastria so save a nice Exile card for her.  The blue side has that blue counter that says counter and remove all the copies which you could bounce it back to his hand and cause quite a stir. 

Get some Path of Exiles or whatever and plop it on a Panoptic Mirror and go to town.

Once you get Venser's -8 ability off you shouldn't have much problem keeping up.

Eldrazi are a tough feed against vamps because they have to start coming out fast.  Use a little deck control and cards like Polymorph to plop one into play fast and once it starts eating your opponent's permanents every turn you'll be fine.
Date Posted: Tue Sep/06/11 at 6:36am

RichardRahl
Posts: 11
Joined: 05-Sep-11

Holy snickers batman! Phyrexian Unlife was a great suggestion (as well as the channel fireball..lol.  My eldrazi deck has a hard time handling vamps, but my main manna ramp are walls and overgrown battlement, which help, but Nighthawks rip me a new one.  He gains life, I lose life, and the only walls i have to block his Nighthawk  are wall of vine, (0/3) , and Wall of tanglecord (0/6).  Of course, IF I block, guess what!!, my crap dies and he gains life, and without my walls my mana ramp slows down.  NIghthawk is seriously the most powerful vamp on its own.  Any pearls of wisdom on what to put in my eldrazi deck (mono green) to take care of the Nighthawks?
Date Posted: Tue Sep/06/11 at 9:04am

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

Corrosive Gale? Spider Umbra?
Date Posted: Tue Sep/06/11 at 9:18am

rav514
Posts: 329
Joined: 02-Dec-10

Try this on one of ur walls that can block it.


Or you could just use this very solid card for green:




EDIT: I'm assuming that 3/3 WALKING green token you can handle. Plus since it's "Destroy permanent" that can be enchaments artifacts, land, or creatures, whatever is in ur way.

[Edited by rav514 on 6/Sep/11 at 9:22AM]
Date Posted: Tue Sep/06/11 at 9:42am

Legend_Mageta
Posts: 76
Joined: 26-Feb-11

how about pistus strike? destroy it AND they get poisoned haha... i think beast within is better but... i like the whole targeted "insult-to-injury" stuff
Date Posted: Tue Sep/06/11 at 9:54am

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

How about Pithing Needle?  1 colorless to lock her down.
Date Posted: Tue Sep/06/11 at 10:01am

rav514
Posts: 329
Joined: 02-Dec-10

@ darth, you mean for the highborn, right?
Date Posted: Tue Sep/06/11 at 10:25am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

highborn doesn't have an activated ability so you can't use it againest her, you will need to use it on the seer

as for the nighthawk you can go simple and play this..

Plummet

 

however if your not sticking to standard I would play this

Raking Canopy

Black offers alot of ways to drop a creatures toughness such as dismember, however it has no way to deal with enchantments, not to mention 4 damage will kill most of the flying vamps.
Date Posted: Tue Sep/06/11 at 10:55am

rav514
Posts: 329
Joined: 02-Dec-10

Oohhh, The canopy is a good one. Cheap and effective.
Date Posted: Tue Sep/06/11 at 12:30pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

rav514, I don't know what I'm doing!  I'm amazed I win any game!  lol

I didn't even look into the Nighthawk.  That thing annoys me so much I run Black/Red in every deck just so I can Terminate the crap out of it!  lol
Date Posted: Fri Sep/09/11 at 10:48am

Sly
Posts: 31
Joined: 07-Sep-11

You could put Aether Flash out. Just make sure your own creatures are strong enough. It should take care of many low costing vampires as well as the Bloodghasts.
Date Posted: Fri Sep/09/11 at 3:06pm

Dagor_Lotalon
Posts: 107
Joined: 29-Mar-11

My personal fav card for stopping fliers:
Date Posted: Sat Sep/10/11 at 1:57am

lasting_light
Posts: 13
Joined: 09-Sep-11

how about creatures with swampwalk and infect. or a couple of cathedral membranes


[Edited by lasting_light on 10/Sep/11 at 2:00AM]
Date Posted: Sat Sep/10/11 at 2:49am

krowbar28
Posts: 434
Joined: 18-Oct-10

"Master Rahl guide us. Master Rahl teach us. Master Rahl protect us. In your light we thrive. In your mercy we are sheltered. In your wisdom we are humbled. We live only to serve. Our lives are yours."


[Edited by krowbar28 on 10/Sep/11 at 2:50AM]
Date Posted: Sat Sep/10/11 at 6:57am

RichardRahl
Posts: 11
Joined: 05-Sep-11

Come on,,,, I said no more devotions to me!
Date Posted: Sat Sep/10/11 at 11:37am

ForgerOfPie
Posts: 377
Joined: 06-Feb-11

Did you try Gravity Shift in your Venser Control?
Date Posted: Tue Sep/13/11 at 1:31pm

RichardRahl
Posts: 11
Joined: 05-Sep-11

Did you mean gravity sphere or maybe defy gravity?  I don't have a clue what gravity shift is, but I'm no expert on card databases.



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