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Date Posted: Mon Aug/29/11 at 10:47pm

scottymandingo

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I attack with a creature, you know, tapping it, and someone responds by tapping Tumble Magnet to make it already tapped. This works?

Date Posted: Mon Aug/29/11 at 11:24pm

lin sivvi

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no, the reaction has to be to you declaring your attackers phase

Date Posted: Mon Aug/29/11 at 11:45pm

scottymandingo

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Okay, I guess I'm confused. They don't tap DURING the declare attackers step?

[Edited by scottymandingo on 29/Aug/11 at 11:46PM]

Date Posted: Tue Aug/30/11 at 7:52am

lin sivvi

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they do tap during the declare attackers phase, in reaction to entering the declare attackers phase.

Date Posted: Tue Aug/30/11 at 7:58am

darthnefas

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Somebody correct me if I'm wrong.

Once you say, I'm starting my attack phase you are not declaring attackers (nothing else can happen). Tapping them will be redundant because that's what they're doing anyway. Once they're tapped to attack (if they require it), then they can react which it's already too late.

So to tap a creature to prevent it from attacking they need to tap it prior to you going into your attack phase and declaring attackers.

So if you say declaring attack, wait... and then say, "I'm attacking with this guy" and they try to tap it. Effectively nothing happens. If you say, "I'm declaring my attackers" and then they say, "I'm tapping that creature" then it will work because they're reacting before you move to that phase.

My question is, because it was conveluted in the past. If a Serra Angel, which doesn't tap to attack (vigilance) is declared as an attacker so she is coming over and then someone taps her and then she gets blocked by say a 1/1 flyer. What happens?

Date Posted: Tue Aug/30/11 at 8:13am

lin sivvi

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the serra angel kills the 1/1 and remains tapped. . .

Date Posted: Tue Aug/30/11 at 9:02am

gericault5

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Once a creature is declared an attacker, it remains an attacker throughout combat, even it it gets tapped or untapped, unless a card specifically removes it from combat. the same for blockers once decllared a blocker even if it gets tapped it is still a blocker.

To go bactk to Scottys question: Darth is correct, Once you enter the DeclareAttackers phase the first thing that occurs is that attackers are declared, this action does not use the stack and can't be responed to, and once declared its tapped and attacking. If your opponent want to tap your guys he needs to do it before the attack, he can't wait to see what your attacking with to do it.

However, alot of people tend to forget the phase before the Declare attacker, which is the beginning of combat phase. This phase serves as a buffer between the main phase and attacking phase and provides the opponent an opportunity to affect combat after you played new creatures, echantments and other main phase stuff. If you did not provide your opponent with this step, ie you went from main to attack without saying your beginning combat, your opponent then has the right to backtrack the game to before the attack and tap your guys.

[Edited by gericault5 on 30/Aug/11 at 9:03AM]

Date Posted: Tue Aug/30/11 at 2:48pm

Turbine

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I understand everything about the declare attackers phase, but not so much about damage resolution. I remember something about combat damage no longer using the stack, but what exactly does that mean? If I play Lightning Bolt on an attacking creature, does it deal damage and why or why not?

Date Posted: Tue Aug/30/11 at 2:56pm

darthnefas

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It was funny. I had a little thing about that lately.

So if you attack with a Grizzly Bear and someone blocks with a 3/3 Elephant so as a fast effect to blocking the Grizzly you Lightning Bolt the Elephant the combat damage from the Grizzly is still blocked unless it tramples (how confusing!). Which means effectively the Elephant still blocked.

So if the Grizzly attacks and you bolt it, so it's dead, it won't deal combat damage either.

Date Posted: Tue Aug/30/11 at 3:19pm

gericault5

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Turbine - let me give you an example on how damage on the stacked worked

Player A attacks with a 2/2 creatures, player B blocks creature A with mogg fanatic, Player A then puts on the stack some thing that reads "Creature A does 2 damage to mogg fantic" player B then puts on the stack "Mogg Fanatic does 1 damage to Creature A" It then follows the rules of the stack in its resolution, doing damge accordingly.

Damage using the stack was removed because of what happen next. Player B would sac the mogg and do one damage to the 2/2 and then the damage on the sac will resolve killing it. The way a creature that was no longer alive could kill another creature was to complicated for people so it was removed.

But that was the past-now days its simple, there is the beginning of combat step, declare attackers step, declare blockers step, combat damage step, end of combat step. Damage is dealt and resolves at the begining of the combat damage(before someone has priority) so basically if the creature is not around at the beginning of the combat damage step it doesn't deal damage, if it is around it does

does that clarify it?

[Edited by gericault5 on 30/Aug/11 at 3:21PM]

Date Posted: Tue Aug/30/11 at 3:41pm

Turbine

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Thanks for the answer, Darth, and clarification, Gericault.

I like the idea of combat damage being on the stack more.

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