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Title: I'm seeing a pattern here...
Date Posted: Mon Aug/15/11 at 4:40pm

ForgerOfPie
Posts: 377
Joined: 06-Feb-11

Ok, everybody, I've been hearing a lot of complaint about how bad the combos are here, and seeing a LOT of what they're talking about. Most of these are from newbies that are SUPER hyped up with this awesome new game to play, instantly want to get involved, and submit everything they know. (By the way, that isn't very much.) So, what they do is submit all the combos they, as new players, can think of themselves, have seen, or have adjusted the oldies but goodies to make them slightly different. So I propose an "unspoken rule:" PLEASE, if you have just made an account and have been a Magic player for only a month or so, post a combo. Everybody loves combos! That's the basis of this sight! But after you submit your hyped-up super awesome special fudge-coated chocolately combos of awesomeness, refrain from submitting any other combos until you have gotten comments on your first! That way, you can see what constitutes a combo here at this website, rather than posting a lot of (no offense) bad combos that aren't really good at all. Now, I'm not trying to be a combo Nazi like the horrible peeps at EssentialMagic.com, (Seriously, look up some comments for combos at that sight. You can also see a few of Pieforger's (which is me) and see what those guys do to your combos and your soul.) but I also don't want this website to become cluttered with trash. Combos are great, synergy is great, and most importantly, CREATIVITY is great, but not if it's creativity that somebody else has thought of already or isn't very creative.

I apologize to any newbs out there if they take offense at this and post this as a friendly warning and basic advice. If you want to comment your thoughts or rage at me, feel free to do so. I'll try to reply to any that I can.

Also: So sorry, Sync, but do I have to ask: do you have anybody else helping you with the website? More importantly, do you NEED any help? I've been programming for a few months now, and am pretty good at what I do, or you could ask Turbine or one of the other veterans.
Date Posted: Mon Aug/15/11 at 6:27pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Also, can we add a rule that says "New people cannot use Emrakul in a combo." We have already exhausted our supply of Emrakul combos.

The people at Essential Magic are idiots. Them: "You just changed a card" Me: Well, that makes it so it's easier to make a deck out of it.

I wish that we could have a thread naming combos that are already done and we don't want reposted in a slightly different way. Ex: Channel Fireball reposted as Channel Banefire.

A tip for you. Although some people, like the people at Essential Magic, might be jerks, doesn't mean you can't be firm. You don't have to add a part saying that you didn't mean to offend anyone (Unless it's something really controversial)
Date Posted: Mon Aug/15/11 at 6:38pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

I don't think its necessarily a good idea to ban any card from combos, because at some point new cards may create a new and ingenious way to use that card. That being said, I do think people should stop for a second before posting combos with Emrakul and Planewalker's ultimates and make sure that what they are doing is finding a way to get to these powerful cards/abilities in a quick and original way (other than just simple mana ramp). Rarely should you need to play cards after playing Emrakul or using a Planeswalker's ultimate. Their effects are usually powerful enough to win a game without the addition of other cards
Date Posted: Mon Aug/15/11 at 9:07pm

ForgerOfPie
Posts: 377
Joined: 06-Feb-11

Thnx for the tip, Turbine. Anything to help me become a better Magic politician. ;-)

By the way, a cry out to anyone who has website design experience. It doesn't have to be a lot, it doesn't have to be exceptional, you just have to have knowledge in that field. Sync, I think, could use some help or he'll shrink! (but seriously, if there was someone else who could pitch in every now and then to keep the website updated and make new search filters/forum subsections/general sorting out, that'd be appreciated.)
Date Posted: Mon Aug/15/11 at 9:09pm

ForgerOfPie
Posts: 377
Joined: 06-Feb-11

BTW, Turbine, you can't ban Emrakul. That's like banning Intruder Alarm, only for Timmies. The bad/irrelevant combos has to be stanched, but can't be shut off comletely.
Date Posted: Mon Aug/15/11 at 9:15pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

I've offered my services before, though not directly.
Date Posted: Mon Aug/15/11 at 9:31pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

1. I'm not a newb. I've been playing since the release of Alara Reborn

2..I just finally got internet 3 or 4 months ago.

3..Some combos are crap, some are good competetively and some are only good casually

4. This is America. You can't stop people from doing jack-squat on this site

5.Turbine; 4 words -  1.SHUT 2.THE 3.HELL 4.UP
Date Posted: Mon Aug/15/11 at 9:32pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

if you've only been playing since alara reborn, than you are a noob. . . plain and simple.
Date Posted: Mon Aug/15/11 at 9:41pm

ForgerOfPie
Posts: 377
Joined: 06-Feb-11

Hey! I've been playing since WORLDWAKE! (Did you notice, or do I hide my newbliness well?) ;-)
Date Posted: Mon Aug/15/11 at 9:44pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Whether I'm a noob or not is debatable. I just know that last Saturday I placed 4th in a tourney. With one of my signatures being a card that people consider crap.

Just for a laugh I wanna see you guys guess that card.

Keep in mind that the tournament was Standard.
Date Posted: Mon Aug/15/11 at 9:48pm

ForgerOfPie
Posts: 377
Joined: 06-Feb-11

Defensive Stance? How about Dryad's Favor? Ooh, ooh, I know, it's Dross Hopper!!!
Date Posted: Mon Aug/15/11 at 9:50pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Hovermyr. I pretty much do Hovermyr Hulk and the same thing with Vault Skirge.
Date Posted: Mon Aug/15/11 at 10:03pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

Time meant playing the game means little. I know people who have played it for a long time and still lose consistently to new players. I think we all need to step back, take ourselves a little less seriously sometimes (myself included), and recognize that we're here to learn from each other and increase our knowledge about the game. Yes thats right, this is just a game. A card game that many of my less-than-nerdy friends compare to Pokemon or Yu-Gi-Oh (Philistines!). So let's just try to have fun. That being said, I whole heartedly think that Forger is right when he says that people need to look at feedback on combos a little more closely. If people say something is not a combo and you disagree, it might be worth your time trying to figure out why they think its not a combo (or at least why they think its not a good combo). You might learn something, or you'll disagree and you might teach someone something.
Date Posted: Mon Aug/15/11 at 10:15pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

so the question is, what constitutes a good or bad combo.???

Ultimatly, It's a matter of personal perspective.  Someone might think they just posted the ultimate combo, while I think its total crap.  but just because i think its carp doesn't mean they can't beat me using it.

So how about we do this-people post what they want, and if you don't like it just press the back button and move on to the next one. and if you do feel necessary  to make a post how about making a constructive comment  about how you would improve it.

Oh and my two cents about noobs...a noob is someone who really thinks there is such a thing as a bad combo.  As I said above a bad combo can still win the game, and your experience players realize that. 
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 9:40am

ForgerOfPie
Posts: 377
Joined: 06-Feb-11

I think what constitues a good or bad combo is:

1: what is the net? (What does the combo do? Infinite mana? Infinite pump? Lots of creatures? Hand Lock? Mill?)

2: How many cards does the combo take? If it takes  a lot of cards or contains a lot of super-powerful cards, you might not want to post it. Try to make the same net with interesting, unique, or "bad" cards such as (example) Priest of Yawgmoth. He (she? It?) is rarely used, and has a cool effect.

3: What's your tone when posting the combo? Try to use proper grammar to make the description easier to read. Remember, nobody likes a troll. (a troll is a user that is very mean, or can't be understood.)  Also, don't glorify yourself for finding the next Caw-Blade combo. It probably isn't.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 9:40am

ForgerOfPie
Posts: 377
Joined: 06-Feb-11

COMBO EXPLOSION!!!
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 11:54am

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

@Mechanist: You placed 4th in a GAME DAY event...It's not like there was any high stakes or anything...
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 12:02pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

And telling turbine to shut up is no different than him dissing your combos. You speak of America yet act like a hypocrite...so if freedom is the basis of your quips, try not limiting other peoples freedom of speech...or is it that you some how know ohhhhhhh so much more than we do?
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 12:05pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Yeah you're right. Turbine please accept my apologies.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 12:09pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

Also another thing to consider when judging a combo as good or crap is to remember that in this game everything loses to something else.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 12:38pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

True everything loses to something else. But when something loses to everything else than you have a problem. I also think that a lot of the complaints with combos aren't that the combos aren't strong enough, but that they're not combos in the sense that they're common sense. Using mana producing cards to ramp into a fattie is not a combo, its basic understanding of how to play Magic. That or they're unfeasible. I've seen "combos" that have 12 cards in them on this site, including cards like mycosynth lattice, darksteel forge, platinum angel, and Iona sheild of Emeria all together. Sure thats a combination of cards, but no one will ever get that out. Thats why people complain about using Emrakul and Planeswalker's ultimates. If you're playing against competitive players (which most users on this site do I think), then you probably won't ever see a Planeswalker's ultimate go off or an Emrakul hit the field, because any player who knows how to build a deck should be able to deal with those things before they're even a problem.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 1:01pm

mox
Posts: 42
Joined: 11-Aug-10

i feel that all that is being said has gone too far. would it not be easier to just tell the posters to look up their combo on the site before posting? i also don't believe that new people should have a posting limit, some of my favorite combos came to me almost right away when i started playing, if you post them, you also get feedback so you know that something works or doesn't. the only problem I see is that you are not able to delete your own posts, which would clear out the site a bit and also make it a bit easier to navigate.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 1:46pm

Narcinek War-Rider
Posts: 1283
Joined: 16-Jun-11

I agree with mox plus I'm glad this wasn't held in person cause then a fistfight might have started by now.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 2:14pm

mox
Posts: 42
Joined: 11-Aug-10

that is exactly what i was thinking. :)
Date Posted: Tue Aug/16/11 at 2:37pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

@ Jester

I agree with you so much it hurts.

@ Mechanist

You can't use "Freedom" as an excuse for anything. First of all, I might not even be in the United States of America. Shakii is from the Philippines. Second of all, as Jester pointed out, that's being hypocritical. Third of all, please try not to sound like an uneducated nationalistic hick on the internet. That being said, I accept your apology.



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