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Title: Counter question
Date Posted: Tue Aug/09/11 at 12:19pm

Vilko
Posts: 22
Joined: 19-Jul-11

Could you use Melira, Sylvok Outcast to remove the counters on Etched Monstrosity?
Date Posted: Tue Aug/09/11 at 12:24pm

Invertedspank
Posts: 95
Joined: 03-Sep-10

No, because it comes into play with them, they're not placed on him. Use vampire hexmage.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/09/11 at 12:31pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

Completely disagree, Melira would totally work. Think about it, the wording for persist also contains the phrase "this permanent enters the battlefield with a -1/-1 counter on it", and yet we know that Melira prevents that from happening. I'm not sure on the specific ruling that supports this, but it has something to do with the counters being placed as a "replacement effect", and Melira preventing that effect.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/09/11 at 12:39pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I think it would work
Date Posted: Tue Aug/09/11 at 12:57pm

rav514
Posts: 329
Joined: 02-Dec-10

As i understand it; cards lose all counters when they change zones. (With the exception of that one card that keeps them when it changes zones because it says so on the card.) So anything that gets counters from an ability or persist or whatever would get them after the card enters play and that would be prevented by Merlina. I don't believe she would REMOVE existing counters only stop new ones from being put on.

[Edited by rav514 on 9/Aug/11 at 12:58PM]
Date Posted: Tue Aug/09/11 at 1:03pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Obviously. . .
Date Posted: Tue Aug/09/11 at 1:19pm

Vilko
Posts: 22
Joined: 19-Jul-11

So basically play Melira before Etched Monstrosity