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Title: I dub this card as UNDERCOMMON!
Date Posted: Wed Jul/27/11 at 6:46pm

krowbar28
Posts: 434
Joined: 18-Oct-10



can you think of more undercommons?
Date Posted: Wed Jul/27/11 at 6:54pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Mindless Null

Shock

Justin Beiber (You know legendary creature-human doushebag 1N/W (N/W=Neon White) Tap: put a -1/-1 Beiberite creature Token with Beiber Fan(This creature is f$%king retarded) onto the battlefield. N/W: Destroy all talent, replace this talent with lack thereof, Discard your hand, and then go outside and shoot yourself in the head, unless an opponent pays N/W. Power and Tougness: -9001/-9001) 

Now I know what your thinking, Who would pay N/W to save the person? They deserve to go to hell for playing this guy, so let em' pull the trigger.

Errata: You may shoot your opponent in the head if this spell is cast by said opponent.

Double Errata: If you know this is in their deck you may also have that player lynched.

Triple Errata: No undies mondays...that is all.
Date Posted: Wed Jul/27/11 at 7:02pm

krowbar28
Posts: 434
Joined: 18-Oct-10

what UNDER 9000!
Date Posted: Wed Jul/27/11 at 9:17pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

it helps metalcraft and such (i use it in my knowledge pool deck) but ultimatly it is a flavor card.  Its the only indestructable card in new phyrexia so it represents the end of an era
Date Posted: Wed Jul/27/11 at 10:38pm

Wolfclan14
Posts: 461
Joined: 23-Jan-10

Kuldotha Rebirth!
Date Posted: Wed Jul/27/11 at 10:50pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

Are you serious!  Is Darksteel Relic a real card! 
Date Posted: Wed Jul/27/11 at 11:16pm

krowbar28
Posts: 434
Joined: 18-Oct-10

for some reason or another yes it is
Date Posted: Wed Jul/27/11 at 11:45pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

I realality this card should be rare as the origanal concept of rare was, "cards that weren't really more powerful cards, but more obscure cards and harder to use cards, the idea being that it was rare to see a rare in a new players deck, things like lord of atlantis is a great example, isn't a really powerful card in an average deck, but it is really powerful in a deck full of merfolk. Though of course some cards were made rare to avoid having too many in play-circles" That card works really well with a few cards, as gericult mentioned for metal craft, but imagine four in a deck with Tezzeret the Seeker (or the other Tezzeret) by using his second ability enough to get in all 4 of the artifact, then using his first twice, and his last once leaves you with at least four 5/5's that are indestructible, not very weak is it?  Ashnod's Transmogrant makes a 1 mana 1/1 indestructible, still not overpowered, but useful in the right deck.
Date Posted: Wed Jul/27/11 at 11:47pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10


oh here's another

and another
Date Posted: Thu Jul/28/11 at 12:18am

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

Those tlst 2 may not "look" effective, but I bet our regular forum guys would have no problem killer them killer given the right circumstances.  That Relic does nothing by itself.  I couldn't, with good conscious, even use it.
Date Posted: Thu Jul/28/11 at 2:56am

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

I like how you can pay for the madness cost instead of casting it as an instant...
Date Posted: Thu Jul/28/11 at 9:00am

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

spellshapers with that
Date Posted: Thu Jul/28/11 at 9:17am

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

Pal, I like that card.  It's a place holder and it's a discard protector. 

I'm sure people disagree with me, but Jace's instant draw at UU3 for 3, well, it's just more effective for 1 blue.
Date Posted: Thu Jul/28/11 at 1:30pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

That madness card makes great discard feed for a UB deck
Date Posted: Thu Jul/28/11 at 1:54pm

GingerKid
Posts: 143
Joined: 23-Apr-11

In a metalcraft deck this card would be f****** amazing.

Another undercommon: Goblin Guide
Date Posted: Thu Jul/28/11 at 2:59pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

you kidding? goblin guide is a great card its a 2/2 for one mana with haste, also it allows you to know a certain amount of draw knowledge, with the mere downside of possible overwhelming your opponent with lands in hand.  Really, assuming your playing a deck with proper land balance the extra lands won't help them until about turn 5 which won't make much difference in a goblin deck if you had a 2/2 whaling on them since turn one.
Date Posted: Sat Jul/30/11 at 1:24am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

No such thing as  undercommon cards... there is always uses for it one way or another...
Date Posted: Sat Jul/30/11 at 10:06am

krowbar28
Posts: 434
Joined: 18-Oct-10



i disagree a 3/3 for 4 mana no abilities this is useless if you ask me

Lin is right goblin guide is a power house


[Edited by krowbar28 on 30/Jul/11 at 10:08AM]
Date Posted: Sat Jul/30/11 at 2:03pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Darksteel Relic is not undercommon. It's a "meh" card. I can think of some uses. For one, ZERGLING RUSH!
Date Posted: Sat Jul/30/11 at 5:56pm

W@W Podcaster
Posts: 445
Joined: 01-Jun-10

How about RAZOR BOOMERANG? The worst card I have ever seen, to be honest. I doubt that you could show me a card that would change my mind.
Date Posted: Sat Jul/30/11 at 7:48pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

chiminey imp? a 5 mana 1/2 with flying and a conditional death ability. Or mindless null = worse version of scathe zombies
Date Posted: Sat Jul/30/11 at 10:45pm

TheCaptain
Posts: 909
Joined: 13-Apr-11

Even Mindless Null might find some small place in some deck. How about Trapfinder's Trick? I bet I could find a deck that could use razor boomerang. Trapfinders Trick is conditional on your opponent using a very limited selection of cards.
Date Posted: Sun Jul/31/11 at 6:12am

reaper
Posts: 436
Joined: 23-Jul-11

hey bar don't rip the hill giant that is my favorite card in the world I use many of it's vast ability options to win all of my games ALL OF THEM so please don't be cruel. Hill giant is like a mediocre hercules or an overpowered thor. He was birthed from the deep recesses of hell by a ferret and a goblin witch doctor he was bred mainly for knitting scarfs but one day his ogre roid strength kicked in and he beat his ferret father for making fun of his stitch pattern, he then  ran off into the world swearing to not return until he truly became a man, or a man ogre. For this reason alone he is the deadliest of warriors who can not be defeated for his return home is at stake, and he badly want's to knit again.....................so be afraid!
Date Posted: Sun Jul/31/11 at 10:52am

krowbar28
Posts: 434
Joined: 18-Oct-10

I think WOTC need to reprint hill giant and use that for its flavor text with all the room on there
Date Posted: Sun Jul/31/11 at 12:57pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

It's kind of like a Coral Merfolk, but it has a club
Date Posted: Sun Jul/31/11 at 1:47pm

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
Posts: 1148
Joined: 24-May-10

Here's a dumb one...
Date Posted: Sun Jul/31/11 at 1:49pm

krowbar28
Posts: 434
Joined: 18-Oct-10

6 colorless to maybe draw 3 cards amazing (sarcasm)
Date Posted: Sun Jul/31/11 at 5:52pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

Whoever made that card should be smacked upside his head with a dead halibut!
Date Posted: Sun Jul/31/11 at 6:37pm

Dagor_Lotalon
Posts: 107
Joined: 29-Mar-11

If you thought that was bad:

Ember Shot
Date Posted: Sun Jul/31/11 at 7:17pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Strongbox is not useless, just works pretty well in one combo.
Date Posted: Sun Jul/31/11 at 7:38pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

As for ember shot, yeah it is a bad card, though you must remmeber that cards can be precious to a burn deck, and with mana flair, mana can be in an abundance
Date Posted: Tue Aug/02/11 at 4:28am

reaper
Posts: 436
Joined: 23-Jul-11

lets not forget rod of ruin or maybe a rust elemental those sort of get pooey but I do have to agree about the hill giant they should make that into flavor text maybe they could steal my whole idea aand then pay me for it yes I like this idea we must petition for this to happen now I'll split the money with everyone on here what like 5 million ways


[Edited by reaper on 2/Aug/11 at 4:28AM]
Date Posted: Tue Aug/02/11 at 7:54am

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

What!  Rod of Ruin, back in the day was the shiznet!  There are just tons of better/quicker options today. 

I could probably say the same about Hill Giant, but even back in the day there were better options!  lol

 
Date Posted: Tue Aug/02/11 at 9:28am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Ember Shot is amazing! Red draw is so coolio. Rust Elemental would work in the right circumstances. Like Ichor Wellspring.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/02/11 at 5:57pm

krowbar28
Posts: 434
Joined: 18-Oct-10

i'm not sure i agree ember shot is not very good at all
Date Posted: Tue Aug/02/11 at 6:37pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

really in a red deck, cards prove to be more valuable than mana.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/02/11 at 6:44pm

krowbar28
Posts: 434
Joined: 18-Oct-10

i can think of plenty of direct burn cards much better than this to where i would never use iti would much rather pay 3 for 3 or 10 for 10 and not draw

[Edited by krowbar28 on 2/Aug/11 at 6:45PM]
Date Posted: Tue Aug/02/11 at 7:22pm

Dagor_Lotalon
Posts: 107
Joined: 29-Mar-11

I'm with Krowbar... I'd rather play a five mana land destructo-draw than ember shot. :S WAY too exspensive to be of much use.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/02/11 at 8:28pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

With more than one mana flair, mana is way to abundant, with just four lands and a mana flair you can play ember shot and afford the shock you draw from it.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/02/11 at 9:40pm

krowbar28
Posts: 434
Joined: 18-Oct-10

or you could play lightning bolt and shock or stagershock or fireball or redsuns zenith FTW
Date Posted: Wed Aug/03/11 at 1:47am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

each of those decreases your card count in hand, which my prove to matter to much towards the end.
Date Posted: Wed Aug/03/11 at 8:09am

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

I hate to say it, but it has card draw and any card with card draw are worth having or has potential.  Just because there are better choices doesn't make the card worthless, just not the best choice.  When you're trying to stick to a division (standard, type 2) you may be limited to using cards that aren't the best choice because the best choice isn't in the class.

Urza's Bauble for instance seems like such a worthless card, but having it in your deck is like having 59 cards instead of 60 and it was in everyone's deck when it came out.  For that it can't be counted in the "worthless" category because worthless has NO redeeming qualities.




[Edited by darthnefas on 3/Aug/11 at 8:10AM]
Date Posted: Mon Aug/08/11 at 12:01pm

GingerKid
Posts: 143
Joined: 23-Apr-11

@ Lin

You are also helping them get land.
Date Posted: Mon Aug/08/11 at 1:11pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

@ Ginger

Yes, you help them get land. Because that matters so much when playing against aggro.

Turn 1: Mountain, Goblin Guide, swing two

Turn 2: Mountain. Attack with Goblin Guide. Play Warren Instigator.

Turn 3: Mountain. Goblin Cheftain. Swing 9. Play Siege Gang Commander and something else

Turn 4: Game
Date Posted: Mon Aug/08/11 at 4:02pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Turbine's right. At the last FNM I attended that card was key to my first loss in a match up against a red player (I pulled 0 removal, but after some sideboarding that was rectifiedl.) And still had to stall to get out a batterskull to recover from the next 2 onslaughts (With that guide I went to less than 6 life before stabilizing, 5 life in the second match, and 2 in the third.) Goblin tribal is mean as hell, and a single land doesn't make a damn bit of difference to the player sporting a goblin grenade!
Date Posted: Mon Aug/08/11 at 4:21pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

of course certain decks can be very prepared for goblin guide, but I really should point out the fact that it allows you to see what cards your opponent is drawing. . .
Date Posted: Tue Aug/09/11 at 8:47pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

I'll say it did. It helped her see my Batterskull that couldn't be stopped.

>8D
Date Posted: Wed Aug/10/11 at 2:37pm

Torto
Posts: 148
Joined: 25-Jun-11

I hate Great Wall... man, what a junk of card, even in the time that card was printed it was useless, only one card had plainswalk this time.

 Imagine in the eternal so, the only legal format for that junk.

But the time contribueted for this card: Now we have, correct me if i'm wrong, 4 cards with plainswalk in all magic cards! IT'S AN AMAZING UPGRADE! lol


[Edited by Torto on 10/Aug/11 at 2:46PM]
Date Posted: Wed Aug/10/11 at 6:14pm

darthnefas
Posts: 1081
Joined: 04-Apr-11

Torto, you have changed my thoughts on what the worst card in Magic is. 

No longer will Rust be my wallpaper!  We have a new champion!



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