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Title: Question
Date Posted: Fri Oct/29/10 at 10:50am

Atir
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Joined: 18-May-10


When you sacrifice a creature that is indestructible, does that creature die?
Date Posted: Fri Oct/29/10 at 11:23am

newb
Posts: 175
Joined: 02-Feb-10

You can sac an indestructible creature. This would work good with a creature with persist.


[Edited by newb on 29/Oct/10 at 11:24AM]
Date Posted: Fri Oct/29/10 at 11:28am

Atir
Posts: 150
Joined: 18-May-10

Yes, but does that creature die?
Date Posted: Fri Oct/29/10 at 11:54am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

yes it still dies, being indestrictulbe only protects it from lethal damage or destroy effects, sacing or going to 0 toughness will still kill them
Date Posted: Fri Oct/29/10 at 2:29pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Yes, it dies.

Just wondering, do you really think that the WotC would make a card with a moot ability?
Date Posted: Sun Oct/31/10 at 11:31am

Atir
Posts: 150
Joined: 18-May-10

Another question; does double strike do double damage to player? I think(and i almost know) yes, but my friend don´t think so...
Date Posted: Sun Oct/31/10 at 12:37pm

EPAPOD
Posts: 13
Joined: 29-Oct-10

Yes it does double dmg!!!!!

And you are SACRIFICING a creature to the monument(doesn't matter wat it is it goes bye bye...hence why nissa's chosen is great for this cause u can just get him back with Nissa)
Date Posted: Sun Oct/31/10 at 8:36pm

Turbine
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Joined: 26-Oct-09

It isn't double damage. It is dealing damage twice.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 3:35am

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

which is a VERY important difference (and really, can be much more lethal than just double damage.)
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 10:22am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

because of cards that trigger on combat damage being dealt
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 11:27am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

'Indestructible' only prevents the following:

1. 'Destroy' effects such as Wrath of God or Doom Blade

2. Death through damage - e.g. a 5/5 indestructible creature with 10 damage still does not die.

They can still be sacrificed as normal, and will still die due to state based effects (e.g. 0 toughness creatures, duplicate Legendary permenants, being attached to an illegal permanent, etc.)
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 11:34am

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

which is a VERY important difference (and really, can be much more lethal than just double damage.)

I don't understand the difference.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 11:38am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

because of cards that trigger on combat damage being dealt

Why don't you read my comments?  Double strike means that you deal combat damage twice, in most cases, it won't really make any difference, if you pump a creature with double strike think of it as double damage if you want, but with some cards it can make a huge difference.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 11:42am

gericault5
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because of what lin said-cards that trigger on being dealt combat damage

example quitus spike-

a 1/1 double striker equiped with it will deal 1 damage the first attack, the spike then takes them down to 10, then 1 damage the 2nd going down to 5

a 1/1 that does double damage goes down to 18 the attack then spike takes them down to 9 difference of 4 life

hippie is another attacking twice or haveing double damage will both cause 4 life loss, however two attacks means two discards as opposed to 1
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 12:03pm

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Yup, double strike is far nastier than just doing double damage - as has been said, it also doubles up any combat damage triggers.

In some cases the creature may actually grow between first strike and regular damage, e.g. Arcbound Slith with a Fireshrieker will do 1 damage then 2 damage and wind up as a 3/3.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 12:22pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Warren Instigator's ability triggers twice.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 1:09pm

scottymandingo
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Joined: 13-Jul-09

Were you asking me, Lin?
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 1:17pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
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well . . . yeah
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 4:10pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
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Well... I don't read the posts of pricks. Your post wasn't helpful at all and the way you wrote it made it sound like it had nothing to do with the thread. Learn to write a cohesive sentence and maybe I'll read it.

You and Zark need to pull out whatever sticks you both have up your asses and chill the hell out.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 4:26pm

W@W Podcaster
Posts: 445
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So if my unblocked creature that has double strike is equipped with Sword of body and mind, I get two wolves and mill for ten twice? Also, what's up your ass scotty?
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 5:06pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
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Yes, the damage is dealt twice, like I said earlier.

Scotty, I think you need to calm down.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 5:08pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

I'm quite calm, I just don't like being talked down to. Both of them seem to do it quite often. Maybe they aren't meaning to but it sure comes across that way.

I am definitely going to try and include more double strike in my decks. Especially with infect...
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 5:22pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Zark isn't condescending! I'm not going to say anything for or against Lin though.
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 7:29pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

probably because I haven't been on in a long time.

Now, the reason that my sentence didn't make sense to you was this: I wrote it as a countinuation to the last post.

One thing about online chatting is that tone is near impossible, as a result I think you thought that I was condisending, when I was just clarifying in case you (or anyone else) didn't understand (a reasonable assumption being you asked about a post I had clarified)

Anything else your angry at me about, or does this clear things up between us?
Date Posted: Mon Nov/01/10 at 10:03pm

MegaDuce
Posts: 71
Joined: 30-Aug-10

Double strike is juicy
Date Posted: Tue Nov/02/10 at 4:29am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
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'Well... I don't read the posts of pricks. Your post wasn't helpful at all and the way you wrote it made it sound like it had nothing to do with the thread. Learn to write a cohesive sentence and maybe I'll read it.

You and Zark need to pull out whatever sticks you both have up your asses and chill the hell out.'

I didn't mean to come across as condescending, just was clarifying what others had said re the difference between hitting twice and dealing double damage.

Being condescending would be like 'haha you're so dumb you don't know the difference' (which is just an example, I'm not actually saying this.

Calling me a prick with a stick up my ass does reek a tad of


so try to keep things polite and civil when people are trying to help.
Date Posted: Tue Nov/02/10 at 8:56am

lin sivvi
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Of course for things like urza's armor, double strike is worse than double damage
Date Posted: Tue Nov/02/10 at 9:27am

Zark-the-Damned
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Joined: 24-Feb-10

True enough, there are exceptions to every rule :)
Date Posted: Tue Nov/02/10 at 9:31am

lin sivvi
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Joined: 14-Jan-10

So. . . if a 2/2 creature has double strike and trample, and goes up against a 2/2, then does two damage go to the player?
Date Posted: Tue Nov/02/10 at 9:47am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Yes - as it will be unblocked when regular damage is being dealt, the remaining damage will trample over.
Date Posted: Tue Nov/02/10 at 1:08pm

Bladelord00
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so if it doesn't have trample what happens?

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Date Posted: Tue Nov/02/10 at 1:10pm

lin sivvi
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well, then the second hit goes no where.
Date Posted: Tue Nov/02/10 at 4:58pm

JMDin83
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because the creature was already considered blocked for combat.
Date Posted: Tue Nov/02/10 at 6:57pm

Turbine
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Joined: 26-Oct-09

Yep. . .