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Title: help me out here any1
Date Posted: Thu Dec/10/09 at 11:15pm

PHATGROWER
Posts: 37
Joined: 20-Nov-09

when a clone comes into play if you copy a creature that has pacifism on it does the clone become pacified also ?
Date Posted: Thu Dec/10/09 at 11:27pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09


Date Posted: Thu Dec/10/09 at 11:30pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

hmmm... never thought of that... just my opinion, i think it will also  be pacified but lets just wait for others to answer because im not too sure with my answer...
Date Posted: Fri Dec/11/09 at 7:51am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

no it would not, when you copy an object you only copy the orignal characteristics of the card, you don't copy any buffs, counters, or effects on that card
Date Posted: Fri Dec/11/09 at 2:15pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

That is also why Mirrorweave can copy a card with Graft to kill all creatures
Date Posted: Fri Dec/11/09 at 9:24pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Turbine, forgive me as I expand on your comment so there is no confusion amoung those unfamiliar with copying.

When you mirrorweave a creature with graft it turns all creatures into 0/0 which is the printed p/t of the graft creature, nothing will get the graft counters as nothing is coming into play, and the counters on the graft creature will not be copied either.

However, if you play clone and copy a creature with graft, it will get X +1/+1 counters as a result of coming into play as the graft creature

Basically you can't copy pre-existing counters, however, copies do get counters if its a result of a come into play ability.

Also sidebit about Clone many people I've met don't realize:  Clone can become a copy of any creature even if they have shroud
Date Posted: Fri Dec/11/09 at 9:26pm

DyingJester
Posts: 1771
Joined: 16-Dec-08

Seriously? You can clone a shroud creature?
Date Posted: Fri Dec/11/09 at 9:37pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Shroud prevents an ability from targeting, Clone doesn't require you to target
Date Posted: Sat Dec/12/09 at 7:27pm

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

i dont think you can clone a shrouded creature, as "choosing" is the same as Targeting....ill have to check my Comp. Rules book tho.