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Title: Who is going win
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 7:49am

Ally Cyber Nar
Posts: 73
Joined: 19-Oct-10

in a epic battle who will win Allies, Solider , or Sliver who will win muhahahahah i pick Allies "United we stand!"
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 9:46am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Hard to say. It will depend entirely on the deck lists. Good builds of any of those themes can be very tough to beat.

Soldiers tend to be efficient weenies with some good synergies, will probably have the best early game. Monowhite is probably the way to go.

Allies play a mixed game with plenty of options. Could go into blue for card draw and mill, white for weenies, green or red for aggro. Harabaz Druid allows for some sick acceleration, Ghostway give you some nasty tricks late game when you have a lot of allies.

Slivers tend not to have a good early game, most of the best Slivers are multicoloured so the mana base will be shaky. Probably best with a Green core for Gemhide, Virulent and Muscle slivers for early plays and mana generation, with some White for Sinew and Sidewinder Sliver. Then again, 5 colour Sliver Combo can get nasty too...
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 11:04am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I like Allies, but Slivers are WAY better. Soldiers don't stand a chance. How about Elves, Allies, and Slivers.

Elves have crazy mana excel and amazing cards altogether. Priest of Titania with Staff of Dominance, Wellwisher, and Elvish Archdruid for example.

Slivers, I mean, do I even have to say anything? Sliver Queen with nearly anything for infinite tokens. Gemhide Sliver and Heartstone for instance. Added with Crystalline Sliver, you are unstoppable.

Allies stand a fair chance. I've gotten off a turn 4 win in Standard with Rite of Replication and a great hand.  I could put in my Sol Ring and speed it up more. Turntimber Ranger with Artificial Evolution for infinite 2/2 Allies.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 11:52am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Zark is right its all about the cards that will provide support to your creatures. If you were to truely judge them you need to look at it in the sense what would happen if the deck was all creatures. In which case it would still be a toss up. Though soldiers will win the majority of the time.
The reason is allies and slivers are both mid game combantants and they both relry on have a lot out to be effictive which ends up limiting the blocking. Soldoers can start attacking right asway and do massive damage before the other two get going. Not to mention since soldiers have been around for years their is a larger pool in which to choose from allowing for greater levels of ability flexibily such as pingers strikes defenders lifelink shroud flying pump cost reduction
Silvers have the abilities and its nice how they combine them however they are week other then the lords most are only 2/2 or less. So if you can keep them in check through constant attacking they don't amount to much
Allies are the same as slivers they nee3d to be in play to make their abilities effective

[Edited by gericault5 on 21/Oct/10 at 11:56AM]
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 12:01pm

Ally Cyber Nar
Posts: 73
Joined: 19-Oct-10

but allies have good power and def as well, slivers must be on the field but allies just need to come in play, soldiers are kinda like slivers with some of there skills but yes there are way more things you can do with them but i think allies can bring them down as well stomp on slivers
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 12:14pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Yes they only need to come into play but but for most of them you need others in play to make them effective. Without others halimar only mills 1 card ondu gains you 1 life. The ones that give pump trample flying protection still give them to a creature that has ss.
Soldiers come into play and attack they don't need the numbers not to mention you can drop soldiers at a 2-1 rate compared to slivers or allies
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 12:16pm

Ally Cyber Nar
Posts: 73
Joined: 19-Oct-10

true but with lurking preadtors they just poor in for the kill
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 12:20pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

But again to look at which is truely superior you cann.t look at non creature cards otherwise my respose will be disenchant
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 12:37pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Lurking Predators also works with Slivers though.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 12:37pm

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

It may all come down to Mana Curve in a pure creature deck. Soldiers can reliably 1 drop every game. Allies can't, Slivers have less options.

Just did a search on Gatherer for CMC 1 Allies. There is 1 - Hada Freeblade (who is ironically also a Soldier).

Slivers have 6 options for 1 drops. Of which probably the best options are Sidewinder (Flanking) and Virulent (Poisonous)

There are 46 1-cost Soldiers, which vary across a whole spectrum of useful. From the pretty awful Eager Cadet (1/1 no abilities) to the awesome Elite Vanguard (2/1).

Soldiers win the early game, Allies and Slivers can't really cope with that onslaught until turn 3 or 4 - unless you add in support cards.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 1:04pm

Seraphic
Posts: 123
Joined: 03-Apr-09

Elf
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 1:05pm

Ally Cyber Nar
Posts: 73
Joined: 19-Oct-10

ok but if the battles do last longer with some good support soldiers are done for
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 1:43pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

How about we build decks and test it on MWS. I'll take Soldiers, because I haven't ever made one  before.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 3:16pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

ok but if the battles do last longer with some good support soldiers are done for

not necessarily, if your allies are getting support cards so are the soldiers, which brings us back to what zark said it comes down to the build, it is not a guarnetee that soldiers would be done for if the game lasts longer, example it would take alot longer for allies and slivers to recover from a wog then soldiers

and more importantly-while there are some pumping soldiers, they usually get their power from the equipment they have, as a result they are not affected by humility which wreaks allies and slivers

soldiers FTW

turbine-im game, its been awhile since i built a sliver deck


[Edited by gericault5 on 21/Oct/10 at 3:17PM]
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 4:59pm

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Something which may swing it back towards Slivers is the ability to make effective use of Black cards, something neither Allies or Soldiers can do (very little support for soldiers in black, and all the black allies are crap)

This gives the possibility of playing Extinction in the Sliver Deck - IF you can survive till turn 5.

Thinking the best Soldier builds would either be White/Red Boros style aggro, or classic White Weenie. Possibly Kithkin Soldiers would work too.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 7:14pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

I pick elves... so staff of domination is legal?
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 7:14pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Earlier than turn 5. Gemhide Sliver. (^_^)
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 7:21pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

i can win at turn 3 or four...
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 8:40pm

MorbidAnimosity
Posts: 557
Joined: 18-Apr-10

i think you all are forgetting...

merfolk.

best of all.

blue = counter all your opponents shit...

really good merfolk = like, turn 3 win
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 9:10pm

CaptinFluffy
Posts: 97
Joined: 22-Feb-10

It's all about the build. I've seen amazing Elf decks pumping out crazy tokens with deathtouch and trample. And I've seen Elf decks that can't do jack.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/21/10 at 11:25pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

yah... i know... that's why i chose elf...
Date Posted: Fri Oct/22/10 at 3:49am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Don't discount Cats, Faeries, Kithkin, Goblins or Zombies either! They have some nasty builds.

(well maybe not Cats, but they can make a decent Naya-aggro deck with Savannah Lions, Wild Nacatal, Loam Lion and Steppe Lynx)

EDIT: Am thinking for this challenge you need to use the WOTC Tribal deck rules.

http://www.wizards.com/Magic/TCG/Article.aspx?x=magic/rules/tribal

Essentially at least a third of the deck must be creatures of your chosen type.

[Edited by Zark-the-Damned on 22/Oct/10 at 3:51AM]
Date Posted: Fri Oct/22/10 at 5:05am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

that's easy...
Date Posted: Fri Oct/22/10 at 5:15am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

since i'm going for elves, here's my deck list...

3 Caller of the claw
4 Llanowar elves
4 Elvish archdruid
4 Viridian Joiner
4 Acidic Slime
2 Staff of Domination
2 Immaculate Magistrate
4 Birchlore Ranger
2 Regal Force
2 Planar Portal
2 Wellwisher
2 Seedborn muse
2 Static Orb

Well, i think that's enough
for land...
4 Wirewood Lodge
1 Gaea's Cradle
what remains are forests

with sideboards such as

Fog
Naturalize
Plummet
additional Seedborn Muse and Static Orb


Well that's it for me...
Date Posted: Fri Oct/22/10 at 6:43am

Ally Cyber Nar
Posts: 73
Joined: 19-Oct-10

hey every one this battle is only with slivers allies and soldiers later i'll post up a battle of elfs,merfolk, and zombie
Date Posted: Sat Oct/23/10 at 8:45am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I'll go ahead and build Soldiers now. It's going to take a lot of playtesting.



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