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Title: proliferate + level up???
Date Posted: Mon Oct/11/10 at 12:42pm

MorbidAnimosity
Posts: 557
Joined: 18-Apr-10

i really dont get why nobody thought of this before...
proliferate lets you add another of any counter already on something.
so why not use this to give more counters to level-up creatures???
Date Posted: Mon Oct/11/10 at 1:20pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

Yes, why not indeed... Make a deck around it!
Date Posted: Mon Oct/11/10 at 4:47pm

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

already seen it. it works meh-ish.

maybe you guys can come up with a better one than the deck i saw.


they used Echo Mage, Lighthouse Chronologist, Guul Draz Assassin as their 3 levelers.
Date Posted: Mon Oct/11/10 at 5:58pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

It has been thought of. It doesn't work that well.
Date Posted: Mon Oct/11/10 at 8:56pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Level-up proliferate doesn't work well because most of the proliferate cost are well, high... see contagion clasp and contagion engine... Steady progress and the bird isn't that reliable for proliferate...

And another, you need to cast all your level up creatures before you can proliferate efficiently... and your opponent will not allow you to do that to happen...

Proliferate + level up is a no-no for me...
Date Posted: Tue Oct/12/10 at 12:25pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Only with really high cost ones and Inexorable Tide is it useful.
Date Posted: Thu Nov/04/10 at 1:45pm

PlayxDead
Posts: 1
Joined: 04-Nov-10

I absolutely and wholeheartedly disagree with those naysaying this combo. It's worked a hell of a lot for me, even with the bird and steady progress.

I built this deck, and I've only had problems with RDW (a good set Day has been fine because I run Sun Titan in my build) and with UB control or UWB it generally comes down to who gets out what first. When a quadrupled volition reined Jace, the Mind Sculptor is the only way UB can win, it's a pretty good day. Sadly, it sucked when they got out that last volition rein. Ugh.
Date Posted: Thu Nov/04/10 at 2:18pm

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

i didnt say it didnt work. i say it didnt work well, because we have real decks in my meta. lol  almost 60% of the people who play in my area arepro tour players so this deck type doesnt exactly cut the mustard.
Date Posted: Thu Nov/04/10 at 2:37pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

How are you going to kill someone in 4 turns with Leveler proliferate?
Date Posted: Thu Nov/04/10 at 3:36pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Use stall, drag it out past four turns. . .
Date Posted: Thu Nov/04/10 at 3:41pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Use stall, drag it out past four turns. . .
Date Posted: Thu Nov/04/10 at 8:19pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

still there better ways to get a higher level creatures without using proliferate...

what would you choose when using level up critters, mana accel / proliferate... that is the question... now i'm pretty sure you will answer mana accel... because proliferates just cost too much...

there are only a few proliferate cards, namely:

Thrummingbird
Contagion Clasp
Contagion Engine
Throne of Geth
Inexorable Tide
Steady Progress

i tell you, mana accel is faster for level up creatures than proliferates...

i'm not saying it won't work but as JMD said, it's just for casual play... you can even lose to a low budget ally deck...
Date Posted: Thu Nov/04/10 at 10:43pm

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09 


Thrummingbird and steady progress are the 2 proliferate cards that are economical mana wise. While it is possible to make on using other proliferate cards, most of them are only good for infect/graft style decks. That said Thrummingbird is a good proliferate card to put into level up decks because it is 2 mana for a evasion based 1/1 that proliferates every time it deals combat damage.
Date Posted: Fri Nov/05/10 at 5:14am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

well, not that i don't want to use Thrummingbird but it's so easy to kill and steady progress, well is only good for 1 go... so not much things to expect from proliferate-level-up deck...

thought graft/simic deck could be plausible... not just plausible but good (colorwise)...
Date Posted: Fri Nov/05/10 at 1:03pm

Turbine
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Joined: 26-Oct-09

 

 

Throne of Geth is pretty economic.
Date Posted: Fri Nov/05/10 at 10:43pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

the throne is econmic to get out, but not for the cost of usage
Date Posted: Fri Nov/05/10 at 10:44pm

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

Puppet Conjurer makes it economical.
Date Posted: Fri Nov/05/10 at 10:51pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

yes that work as well as other things you can use in a casual format, but based on the conversation it was revolving around standard.  if you go causal there are better ways to get counters on levelers then proliferate.

[Edited by gericault5 on 5/Nov/10 at 10:52PM]
Date Posted: Sat Nov/06/10 at 9:00am

Turbine
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Joined: 26-Oct-09

 Memnite. Plus the fact that it is at least a 2 cost proliferate.
Date Posted: Sat Nov/06/10 at 11:43am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
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So you would use 4 menites to proliferate 4 times seems like a waste of 8 slots to me when you can have 8 mana excells or better support cards. Let's look at it if you have spy patrol. Student. And kabira in the field it would cost 6wwu to use the throne menitite combo to get 2 level up counters on the three creatures in comparision it will take 4uuu to get 4 counters on with teacher unsummon not to mention in the grand scheme offers you a lot more versitlity then the menite.
Date Posted: Sat Nov/06/10 at 12:11pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

You don't need to proliferate that much. Also, why would you play Student in that deck? He already has a low level cost. Brimstone Mage and the like would be better.
Date Posted: Sat Nov/06/10 at 3:02pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

If your not going to proliferate often why waste the slots and do it st all. As for student it is one of the better levelers as a 1 drop it can come out quickly and grow quickly as well helping it along in its growth doersnt hurt. He also fits in well with an arrgo control strat which is what my uw leveleer deck is based on. Brimstone sucks because he comes in to play with a target there are not many people that will let a creature that has the potential to throw a lightning bolt each turn stay around for long so I see him as a mana waste
Date Posted: Sat Nov/06/10 at 5:07pm

Turbine
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Who would let a Student grow???
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 10:02am

gericault5
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Not many will let her grow but as you said student has a low level up cost many times she becomes a threat before she can be dealt with. A 3/3 fs attacking on turn 2 is huge and provides great tempo. Even if the opponent has something to deal with her odds are she will be taking something before she goes. Brimstone can't say that.
Date Posted: Sun Nov/07/10 at 11:29am

Turbine
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Joined: 26-Oct-09

A better question, why is the screen stretched?