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Title: What is the Dirtiest Combo?
Date Posted: Mon Sep/13/10 at 3:41pm

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

So this site's been running for a couple years now. I'm just wondering what you guys think is the cheapest, quickest and dirtiest winning combo?
Date Posted: Mon Sep/13/10 at 3:43pm

Eldraziking187
Posts: 670
Joined: 12-Apr-10

Well, I would say any 1st turn win that you opponant can do nothing about. Not really a game, just major pown-age.
Date Posted: Mon Sep/13/10 at 3:46pm

RedPanda
Posts: 174
Joined: 27-Aug-10

Turn 0... Protean Hulk... Combo out.
Date Posted: Mon Sep/13/10 at 6:00pm

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

I like 1st turn wins with the fewest number of cards. Something like that archive trap trick would do, or Grindstone + Painter's servant. But the real question is which one is the best and the most likely to work?
Date Posted: Mon Sep/13/10 at 6:00pm

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

That turn 0 move is pretty nifty.
Date Posted: Mon Sep/13/10 at 7:25pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Isochron Scepter and Silence.
Date Posted: Mon Sep/13/10 at 9:00pm

RedPanda
Posts: 174
Joined: 27-Aug-10

T1 grapeshot combo?

Glimpse of nature
Simian spirit guide
Lotus petal
Forest
A deck of cmc 0 critters
Grapeshootz for 36 storm
Date Posted: Tue Sep/14/10 at 2:24am

scone
Posts: 4
Joined: 14-Sep-10

@ RedPanda

The turn 0 hulk combos are really tough to get going with Flash being restricted, but I do agree it ranks 10/10 on the opponent-jaw-dropping scale!   :D

And in the Grapeshot w/ Glimpse of Nature combo, running a set of Elvish Spirit Guides along with the Simions would allow you to cast GoN more surelly. Toss in a new Leyline of Anticipation and this could turn into a turn 0 win deck!  XD
Date Posted: Tue Sep/14/10 at 7:13am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

In your combo thread, you brought up a very interesting card: Pact of Negation.



Force of will is the infamous turn 1 combo stopper. Hypothetically, someone could play up to 3 Force of Wills from their opening hand to stop a turn 1 combo. Meaning, if you had 3 Pacts of Negations, you could counter every step of the way.

Is there a four card combo that can win the game on turn 1?
Date Posted: Tue Sep/14/10 at 9:22am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Timbermare FTW!!!

Black Lotus Channel Timbermare  Wine of Blood and Iron
Date Posted: Tue Sep/14/10 at 10:24am

Eldraziking187
Posts: 670
Joined: 12-Apr-10

The classic Black lotus - Channel - Fireball. Three cards, no mana.
Date Posted: Tue Sep/14/10 at 10:25am

Eldraziking187
Posts: 670
Joined: 12-Apr-10

Or should I say no lands required?
Date Posted: Tue Sep/14/10 at 11:34am

rickthesneak
Posts: 27
Joined: 13-Sep-10

id say the 1st turn kills are the dirtiest... but if you want a non-game ender combo, id say the isochron scepter-orim's chant  (well anything with a isochron lol) are the dirtiest combos... i would also say those panoptic mirror -time warp combos are pretty dirty too
Date Posted: Tue Sep/14/10 at 7:35pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

and also isochron + boomerang...
Date Posted: Tue Sep/14/10 at 8:35pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Eldraziking-The classic Black lotus - Channel - Fireball. Three cards, no mana.-exactly how does this work with a mana source of only 1 color and needing 2
Date Posted: Tue Sep/14/10 at 9:35pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

he forgot the mox jet... hahaha... and use Kaervek's torch please... vintage first turn kill...
Date Posted: Tue Sep/14/10 at 11:32pm

Eldraziking187
Posts: 670
Joined: 12-Apr-10

I'm sorry, good call. You need 1 Mountain and the extra green mana is so you can deal 20 damage with fireball only using 19 life to channel. My bad. It been a while.
Date Posted: Wed Sep/15/10 at 3:10am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09



This will take care of any spell work targeting your opponent. So any x damage spell work can be stopped.
Date Posted: Wed Sep/15/10 at 3:34am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

I had to think of an interesting way to counter Gericault's but here's my solution:
Date Posted: Wed Sep/15/10 at 4:48am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

I think I found a winning combo though:

Here
Date Posted: Wed Sep/15/10 at 5:00am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

hmmm, i'll think of a counter for that...
Hmmmm.... Gemstone Caverns and maybe Awestrike... and FoW of course...

EDIT: That won't work you can fetch 4 kokusho... and 3 more dragons... how about... Ethereal Haze...

[Edited by shakii23 on 15/Sep/10 at 5:11AM]
Date Posted: Wed Sep/15/10 at 5:36am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Because I would have 3 pact of negations, I can counter 3 spells you cast. I could counter the 2 FoW and whatever other spell you are trying to cast - not to mention that the force of wills and the gem cavern would remove the 3 other cards from your hand.
Date Posted: Wed Sep/15/10 at 6:30am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

I've thought about this for hours and I honestly can't think of any solution to counter this first turn combo. So long as you are playing the hand intelligently, I have yet to see a weakness.

As far as I know, it's a pretty one of a kind thing too.

Supposing it holds up to testing, I think we should call this the God-hand; or the God-hand of God-hands.
Date Posted: Wed Sep/15/10 at 11:53am

blackomenom
Posts: 1
Joined: 15-Sep-10

i say the craziest combo would be izzet guildmage rite of flame and Shaharazad and creating 10 sub games of magic best way to piss off your opponent
Date Posted: Wed Sep/15/10 at 8:19pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

i will find a counter for that deck empherance... For one i can go, Leyline of Anticipation, then 5 black lotuses... which you'll counter the 3, i assume... then when you cast dragonstorm, i'll cast Hindering touch... hahaha
Date Posted: Thu Sep/16/10 at 4:20am

Ephemerance
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You got me with that hinderance touch :p haha
Date Posted: Thu Sep/16/10 at 5:23am

shakii23
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haha... you used a storm spell so i'll use a storm counterspell... hahaha
Date Posted: Thu Sep/16/10 at 5:37am

RedPanda
Posts: 174
Joined: 27-Aug-10

Green leyline+Blue Leyline+ Aven Mindcensor

Your god hand lacks removal. With leylines, your troubles will be permanents you can't counter. And you forget, if your combo doesn't kill on the spot you have hell to pay on your upkeep.
Date Posted: Thu Sep/16/10 at 5:40am

RedPanda
Posts: 174
Joined: 27-Aug-10

Also, don't forget Mindbreak Trap as a turn 1 combo breaker
Date Posted: Thu Sep/16/10 at 7:10am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Commandeer works too!
Date Posted: Thu Sep/16/10 at 7:46pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

yup...
Date Posted: Thu Sep/16/10 at 8:22pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Commandeer is a cool card.



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