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Title: Need help for top prize.
Date Posted: Thu Aug/19/10 at 12:42pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

hey going to a legacy tournement next month. Need another set of eyes to find any holes in my deck. the top prize is a mox jet so you can only guess how much effort i am puting towards this. I will be bringing my boros deck since it has a good stanging in the top 8.

the link is:

http://www.essentialmagic.com//Decks/View.asp?ID=758761
Date Posted: Thu Aug/19/10 at 2:33pm

donnieray44
Posts: 64
Joined: 03-Aug-10

How competitive is this tournament? It doesn't seem like you are fast enough to beat many of the major legacy archetypes, especially combo decks like ANT. Maybe there's something I'm missing about your deck, but how fast can you kill?

Edit: Also, if you have MWS I'd be glad to playtest with you, if you want to get some practice. I have a good chuck of the legacy metagame built.


[Edited by donnieray44 on 19/Aug/10 at 2:37PM]
Date Posted: Thu Aug/19/10 at 3:56pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

My deck at its fastest does a 4th to a 5th turn kill.

I do not have MWS unfortunately.

There is only one legacy archtype that i have come across (against the few main that i have) that it has trouble with and that is reanimator into a  Iona, shield of emeria turn 1 lockdown. My deck is mainly white in color reason being. Thats why I place in the Tormond's Crypt into sideboard.

One person suggested that i take out the two wrath of god in the sideboard and put in its place oblivion ring to take care of progentus and emrakul.
Date Posted: Thu Aug/19/10 at 4:10pm

donnieray44
Posts: 64
Joined: 03-Aug-10

Do some research on legacy zoo. It can definatly beat you faster, and more consistently. Also, take a look at some of the one turn win combo decks, such as ANT and the Spanish Inquisition, which will beat you as well. If you're playing against a tier one metagame, I think you might have some trouble.
Date Posted: Thu Aug/19/10 at 5:18pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

Looking at the two decks you have shown. the ANT I would have trouble most likely (give it 50/50), but the Spanish Inquisitor I would leave beaten and bruised beyond belief.
Date Posted: Thu Aug/19/10 at 5:21pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I like the Spitemare with Scourge of the Nobilis. The deck looks great, but I haven't seen many real tournaments.
Date Posted: Thu Aug/19/10 at 8:29pm

donnieray44
Posts: 64
Joined: 03-Aug-10

Well, I guess I can try to help out with the list. For one, it really pains me to see green not run here, because it really shuts off a lot of good options, like Kird Ape.
Lightning Helix: One of the best RW cards out there, a 6 life swing is pretty big.
Grim Lavamancer: Popular in legacy. He speeds you up even more.
Path to Exile/ Swords to Plowshares: You have no spot removal at all aside from bolt. You should be able to get your hands on some Paths, removal is very important.
Sideboard:
Vexing Shusher: Helps against counterspells.
Ethersworn Canonist: Combo destroys you, this helps. Even with it though, you still have a pretty bad matchup.
Kataki, War's Wage: Side in against stax.
Price of Progress: Burn, nuff said. Especially good against 43 variants.
Cards I would take out:
Scourge of the Nobilis: Subpar aura, decks that it does anything against will just 2 for 1 you with removal
Skyknight Legionaire: It really just isn't very good.
Anyways, without green, this is tough. Good Luck at your tournament.
PS. Get MWS :)
Date Posted: Thu Aug/19/10 at 10:59pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

Ok made some changes. Unfortunately I have gone from Firey Boros to a Power House Dega (R/W/B). Posted up the changes on the link above if anyone wants to look.

Again I am looking for any suggestions.

Also, how can i gain the MWS?

 
Date Posted: Thu Aug/19/10 at 11:08pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Download it my friend...
here's the link:

Magic Workstation Download
Date Posted: Thu Aug/19/10 at 11:11pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

for mws  http://mwsgames.com/index.php/MWS_Install_Guide

ill take a look at your deck tommorrow when i can think clearer though i do agree with lightning helix, also what about hearthfire hobgolblin he might go better then spitemare,
Date Posted: Thu Aug/19/10 at 11:11pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

That's easy to install...

Download and install program:

mws094f.exe (the latest version)

Download and install the card database (up to M11, hopefully)
mtg_gamepack.exe

If you want pictures on your card, download this filename:
mtgfullpicssetup.exe (images up to eventide)
Date Posted: Thu Aug/19/10 at 11:13pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Let's play sometime, ghostfire...
Date Posted: Thu Aug/19/10 at 11:31pm

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

yes i would also like to play you ghostfire. more opponents from the site is always good. atm its primarily me, shakii, and scotty only.

you may also want to look into  Stax/White Stax.  ive played with that deck for a few years, and its pretty sick.

it beats ALOT of the decks out there.

Basically it looks like you need to keep an eye out for:

Fish (Vedalken shackles and FoW could prove pretty bad for you)
Countertop (pretty annoying when followed with Tarmogoyf beatdown)
Bant Survival (in the hands of a good player, turn 2 Iona in G/W/U is kinda sick lol)
Zoo (fast paced)
Belcher (turn 1-2 kill)
ANT (turn 2-3 kill)
(possibly) Stax.  (fast lockdown, slow progression.  with Chalice of the void, trinispheres and alot of fast mana, it usually puts in a few Lodestone golems right after casting All is Dust.)
Date Posted: Thu Aug/19/10 at 11:46pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

Ty, will be downloading MWS soon.

Made some changes.

Ok, made some changes to the main and sideboard. I understand what it was you were pointing out with the suggestions of cards to add in.

I still feel better keeping WOG in mainboard. In order to deal with lockdowns I grabed 3 of my vindicates. I removed the 3 scourge of the nobolis for this.

Also, in reference to grave, grave recursion, and counters I think extirpate would be a very good multi functional card. I have 2 in mainboard and 1 on side. Switched volcanic fallout from mainboard and 1 pithing needle for this. I never really used pithing needle.

Changed out the 2 bull cerodons for 2 baneslayer angels. Keeps with the first strike and lifelink mech. that i want in the deck. Also, it is faster to play than the Bull. I decided to do this since I took out scourge of the nobilis which helped the Bull.

I also, changed up the sideboard by taking out the 2 WOG and 1 pithing needle and replaced with 3 oblivion ring. This can be switched out with vindicate when i see progentus or emrakul.

At this point would anyone think that changing out banefire for isochron scepter. This way I can then make futher use of extirpate, red elemental blast, and lightning bolt.

I use to run the hearthfire hobgoblin in this deck. I stoped unsing him when i got ahold of spitemare. The hobgoblin is a great card but spitemare adds another dimension against your opponent. Now he not only has to worry that if i attack which would be better to block with a big creature for a kill or a small creature to not take damage. Also he has to worry about attacking with the biggest creature if spitemare can block it. If i was to change it out with anything i would do so with flametongue kavu.
Date Posted: Thu Aug/19/10 at 11:54pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Also Gericault plays every once in a while... right, gericault?
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 12:46am

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

ok got mws downloaded but no clue on how to set up a connection to play all of you

 
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 2:20am

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

its pretty simple really.  just build your deck, then hit Ctrl+I

just hit "call" and youre on the server, ready to play people :)
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 4:56am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

You forgot to mention to him that there are two programs (Magic Workstation and MWS Play) you'll build your deck using Magic Workstation. Then run MWS Play and connect using that program... it's that easy...
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 6:33am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Once in a while I play on mws shakii, from this sight so far I've only played you and JMd haven't played scotty yet. 
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 12:22pm

donnieray44
Posts: 64
Joined: 03-Aug-10

Shakii, you don't need to use MWSplay to connect. Just hit Ctrl+I in the main screen of MWS.
Also, Ghostfire, I think you made some good changes. Tell me when you have MWS set up and can play, so we can do a few practice games.
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 12:28pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

Ok made the last of my changes before i start to test this new version out. I think by adding in the black it should control better. Between vindicate and extirpate being pushed in it should do fine. I will play test it on MWS later today. If you would like to see the current status of the deck check out the link is:

http://www.essentialmagic.com//Decks/View.asp?ID=758761

I think that you all would like seeing this version. It is by far more lethal in ability to control and conquer than before.  Not so sure if it is faster or slower than before though. Comments or ideas welcomed.
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 12:30pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

I wont be able to connect till tomorrow. right now i am stuck at work on a 24 hour shift. Will not be able to go home or go to sleep till after 0900 tomorrow.
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 12:31pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

I wount be able to connect till tomorrow due to work. I am on a 24 hour shift at the moment and will not be home till after 0900 tomorrow.
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 12:36pm

donnieray44
Posts: 64
Joined: 03-Aug-10

This looks much better. Do you know anything about the metagame you will be playing in? It would certainly help you build your sideboard, and I would know what decks to play you with.

Edit: Victory! I finally found a deck I remembered from a while ago, called Dark Boros. The concept is similar to yours, and gives us a list to look at. Here is one of the lists:
Creatures:
4 Dark Confidant
4 Grim Lavamancer
2 Isamaru, Hound of Konda
4 Tidehollow Sculler
4 Figure of Destiny
2 Jotun Grunt

Spells:
4 Lightning Helix
4 Lightning Bolt
2 Duress
4 Thoughtseize
3 Terminate
3 Vindicate


[Edited by donnieray44 on 20/Aug/10 at 12:40PM]
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 12:49pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

I thought about tidehollow sculler and thought seize but decided against at least thoughtseize. Tidehollow sculler i am still thinking about using in place of knight of the white orchid.

As far as the meta goes I know a little of what to expect. Reanimator, Mill, Big Red Wins, Goblin Rush (Possibly),  Blue/White Control (Orims chant/Isochron Scepter Lockdown with man land kill), and Blue (Man Land Kill) Control.

Both the Blue/White and  Blue control that will be there i know is a tier 1 deck. You will be shut down fast. Thats why I use so much blue hate.
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 1:26pm

donnieray44
Posts: 64
Joined: 03-Aug-10

Considering the lack of combo in your meta, not running Thoughtsieze seems right. Testing will help figure things out though.
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 3:03pm

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

CQ duty, Ghostfire?  that sucks bro. lol
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 3:34pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

Yeah it really does, but I got to skip pt this morning so not all bad. That and after everyone leaves I will have time to tweek my wifes Green Beast Beats deck and her Naya deck. Then playtest  my current deck and tweek some other ideas that i have been having while looking for cheap prices for the cards that i need.

I miss a tournement to run some ideas, lol.

Ill be on all night so post and ill reply throughout the night.
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 3:55pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I don't like the black part of it.
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 3:56pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

really? Why not.....?
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 3:58pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Because your starting deck was better.

Welcome back, Ghostfire!
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 4:31pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

we will find out later today when i play test
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 8:11pm

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

ghost, youre the one in Polk, right?
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 11:05pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Its funny you mention the problem with the mentor of it taking to long.  i was thinking the same thing you need to pay 6 mana into it to get it decent, it would be one thing if you could pump at the end of turn like FOD, but since its only sorcery speed there are much better options in your deck.  maybe bring the swiftblade back you can use a solid 2 drop

I'm actually suprised you you dont have any disenchents in sideboard
Date Posted: Fri Aug/20/10 at 11:24pm

donnieray44
Posts: 64
Joined: 03-Aug-10

Agreed, far too slow for legacy. Swiftblade is pretty bad too though, I would run a few Bobs if you've got them.
Date Posted: Sat Aug/21/10 at 2:41am

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

What do you mean Bobs?
Date Posted: Sat Aug/21/10 at 2:57am

ghostfire86
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Did a little research on Dark Boros. I can switch out the transcendet master and place in Plated Geopede. Quick play that beefs with the help of land and fetch lands with first strike capabilities.

Also instead of running the 2 badlands and 2 ghitu encampment how about 4 lavaclaw reaches?
Date Posted: Sat Aug/21/10 at 3:24am

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

Umezawa's Jitte would be a nice add on as well. I have noticed that it is a 50/50 split between it and basalisk collar being ran depending on construct. For my use either would be fine, First strike adds a lot of potential to go with either. I however am more partial to basilisk collar due to slightly faster by only 1 on the mana curve. I will however try to get a hold of at least one Jitte to place in my deck.

Also it was mentioned that i have not set in anything to deal with enchantments. That is completely wrong. I f you look I have placed in Vindicate which deals with everything on field and O rings in side board depending on needs (aka Progentus).
Date Posted: Sat Aug/21/10 at 11:14am

donnieray44
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Joined: 03-Aug-10

Yeah, Jitte is good. Bob is the nickname for Dark Confidant. He's a powerful draw engine if you plan on winning fast with low CMC cards. I would keep the badlands, but take out the encampments for 2 reaches. You don't want to run too many CIPT lands. Also, what time exactly can you play MWS? Just so I can plan around it
Date Posted: Sat Aug/21/10 at 11:36am

gericault5
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yeah for some reason I was looking at the name vindicate but thinking mortify's text.

Personally I think Jitte would would work better for you then the collar due to its flexibility, for example if I have it equiped to my unblocked white orchard I rather deal the extra 2 damage then gain the 2 life, especially since i can gain 4 life atherwards. same thing with a blocked creature let me do my +2 damage and after 1st strike let me give you -2 when you attack me.

As for the land change-i am going back and forth with it.  i think the lavaclaw should replace the ghitu, though I don't know about the badlands, having access to 2 colors, especially black, the turn it comes into play is good in this format, on the other hand you have scrublands, arid mesa, and marsh flats to pull the black mana and the firebreathing of the lavaclaw is hard to pass. screw it go with the lavaclaw, you can sort it out in testing.

"Bob" = Dark Confident (after the creator of the card) its a solid two drop with card drawing, both he and the plate are good options for a 2 drop, though plated loses its effectiveness as you slow down the land drops, while the dark continues to give you CA (not that you want the game to last to that point)
Date Posted: Sat Aug/21/10 at 12:59pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Why call Confident "Bob"? I understand that he's the artist, but why not DC or something that is makes more sense?
Date Posted: Sat Aug/21/10 at 6:49pm

donnieray44
Posts: 64
Joined: 03-Aug-10

Dark Confidant was given as a gift to Bob Maher after he won the 2004 invitational. It was a card design he submitted, so the card was named after him. It has nothing to do with the artist. It's more catchy too.
Date Posted: Sat Aug/21/10 at 6:50pm

Turbine
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Joined: 26-Oct-09

I still don't like it.
Date Posted: Sat Aug/21/10 at 7:06pm

donnieray44
Posts: 64
Joined: 03-Aug-10

The card? Or the nickname?
Date Posted: Sat Aug/21/10 at 7:19pm

Turbine
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The nickname. The card is ok.
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 10:20am

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

on right now.

heres the ip mwsplay.net:4747
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 10:43am

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

So, what is the different between the MWS that costs money and the free version? Which do you have?
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 2:22pm

donnieray44
Posts: 64
Joined: 03-Aug-10

The version that costs money has few extra features, but it's no longer supported so it's not worth buying. I have the free version.

Edit: Ghostfire, can you meet me at 5:30?  Just so we're both there at the same time.


[Edited by donnieray44 on 22/Aug/10 at 2:23PM]
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 2:50pm

Turbine
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Joined: 26-Oct-09

I might try to get it to work.
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 5:18pm

donnieray44
Posts: 64
Joined: 03-Aug-10

It's worth it
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 5:32pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Ok.
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 8:04pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Yup...
Date Posted: Sun Aug/22/10 at 8:16pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Hopefully, it will./
Date Posted: Mon Aug/23/10 at 8:05pm

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

im gonna get on MWS now, but my connection is kinda sketchy...look for a game titled MTGCombos, thats me.
Date Posted: Tue Aug/24/10 at 12:29am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

you're offline now?
Date Posted: Wed Aug/25/10 at 6:54pm

ghostfire86
Posts: 496
Joined: 04-Nov-09

hey bad news, I am being sent to san antonio through the enitire week the tourny is going on. FTW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This blows hard core!

 
Date Posted: Wed Aug/25/10 at 6:58pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Oh... See you later dude...
Date Posted: Wed Aug/25/10 at 7:02pm

Turbine
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Joined: 26-Oct-09

What tournament?
Date Posted: Sat Aug/28/10 at 5:49pm

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

that sucks bro.
Date Posted: Sat Aug/28/10 at 8:19pm

wurtnik
Posts: 342
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The one with the mox jet as the top prize, that's unlucky man.
Date Posted: Sat Aug/28/10 at 8:27pm

Turbine
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Joined: 26-Oct-09

I was joking, because the topic changed so much.

Sorry about you having to miss the tournament.



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