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Title: Answer 4
Date Posted: Sun Jun/27/10 at 1:40pm

Turbine
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Joined: 26-Oct-09

You know the drill.
Date Posted: Sun Jun/27/10 at 7:03pm

Turbine
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Is it against the rules to order someones deck when searching their library? For example, putting all the lands in one pile. I know that it is frowned upon, but is it against the rules.
Date Posted: Sun Jun/27/10 at 7:13pm

Twogunkid
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Joined: 22-Jan-10

Yes because in some instances like terramorphic expanse and horn of greed you will draw a card before you shuffle your library.

Expanse Tap Sac

Search for a land put it into play tapped triggers horn causing you to draw then shuffle library
Date Posted: Sun Jun/27/10 at 7:36pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

My friend that is using snake deck, used to do this... It goes something like this...

Turn 1: Forest, Sakura Tribe scout...
Turn 2: Play Forest/Island, Tap Sakura Tribe scout to play another land, play Orochi leafcaller, then cast time of need, Searches for Sachi, Daughter of Seshiro and then puts freed from the real on top of his library... If you don't cut his deck after shuffling (if you call it shuffling) then you're doomed... If there is no leafcaller, he puts leafcaller on top of library instead of Freed from the real...
Date Posted: Sun Jun/27/10 at 11:52pm

gericault5
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Joined: 13-Oct-09

and that is called cheating.  his stacking the deck in his favor.  The rules state the deck must be randomnized, so everything is shuffled together, your opponent is then presented with your deck, to cut or even shuffle if they want.

as for stacking the lands, I honestly don;t remember if there is an actual rule howefver it would be really easy in that case to call you on insuffience randomization
Date Posted: Mon Jun/28/10 at 1:19am

shakii23
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Joined: 08-Sep-09

That is why we believe that he's Jace, the Mind sculptor in disguise...
Date Posted: Mon Jun/28/10 at 1:31am

shakii23
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We have different abilities that we use everytime our "Jace in disguise friend uses his...
My other friend has an invisible howling mine on his side of the field while i have an extra mana of any color in my mana pool everytime i cast a spell... Most of the time, our "Jace in disguise" friend gets busted because it's difficult to perform that kind of technique if 3 or more people are watching you...
Date Posted: Mon Jun/28/10 at 1:39am

shakii23
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And one more thing... We do this for fun... Kind of like house rules but you need to take back what you did once you got busted... Easiest to bust is my other friend's ability, he makes every creature "Cheaty face". He just sneaks creature in without paying its mana cost... We even made a joke once when he played affinity... He goes play land, ornithopter, ornithopter, welding jar then frogmite... We asked him if he paid frogmite's mana cost or did he just sneak that in like he always does...
Date Posted: Mon Jun/28/10 at 3:43am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Twogunkid - 'Yes because in some instances like terramorphic expanse and horn of greed you will draw a card before you shuffle your library.

Expanse Tap Sac

Search for a land put it into play tapped triggers horn causing you to draw then shuffle library'

Wrong on two counts.

1. The Horn only triggers on playing a land, this means your 1 land per turn (possibly more with Fastbond or similar). Fetching a land with the expanse is not 'playing a land' - it is 'putting a land onto the battlefield'.

2. Even if the Horn was based on lands entering the battlefield, triggered abilities 'wait' on the stack until the current effect is resolved. So in the case of the Expanse, you would put the land onto the battlefield, triggering landfall. However, before any of the landfall effects can resolve, you finish resolving the Expanse's ability and shuffle your deck.
Date Posted: Mon Jun/28/10 at 3:47am

SteveK
Posts: 161
Joined: 16-Mar-10

I got a pretty simple question, if you play any card that puts a card into your hand like search for a land or something does that count as drawing a card or not??? Trying to work around a chains of meph.


[Edited by SteveK on 28/Jun/10 at 3:47AM]
Date Posted: Mon Jun/28/10 at 4:13am

Zark-the-Damned
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Joined: 24-Feb-10

Putting a card into your hand (e.g. Demonic Tutor) does not count as drawing a card. Drawing a card is only ever from the top of your library.
Date Posted: Mon Jun/28/10 at 4:47am

shakii23
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it must have the keywords draw and card(s)... other than that you can't consider it as drawing a card...
Date Posted: Sat Jul/03/10 at 1:48pm

SteveK
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Does Fog prevent all damage done that turn? i guess a better way to ask is combat damang all the damage dealt that turn.

Ex: I attack with a creature after casting lightning bolt. Does all damage resolve at the same time?
Date Posted: Sat Jul/03/10 at 1:55pm

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
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Fog prevents combat damage only.
Date Posted: Sat Jul/03/10 at 1:56pm

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
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Combat damage is damage done by creature power to either creature or player. Thus, lightning bolt (even though it is cast during combat) is not considered combat damage and will not be prevented by fog.
Date Posted: Sat Jul/03/10 at 2:22pm

Turbine
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Combat damage is dealt by creatures during combat.
Date Posted: Sun Jul/04/10 at 8:19am

wurtnik
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If attackers are declared, can an opponent tap them down in response? I believed that after they were declared as attackers the chance to tap them down had passed.

Date Posted: Sun Jul/04/10 at 10:28am

Zark-the-Damned
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No, your opponent cannot tap a creature already declared as attacking to prevent it doing so (they can tap it but this won't remove it from combat')

The last chance your opponent has to tap a creature to stop it from attacking is in the Beginning of Combat step, before attackers are declared (i.e. just after the precombat main phase)

HOWEVER:

If you do not give your opponent the chance to tap down your attackers, e.g. it's your main phase and you attempt to shortcut to the attack step (e.g. by saying 'swing with this guy'), you MUST rewind to the beginning of combat step to give your opponent the chance to tap down your potential attackers.
Date Posted: Sun Jul/04/10 at 10:42am

wurtnik
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Thanks zark that's what I thought. It was a Silent Arbiter fight, and he was waiting for me to attack then tap down that creature I decided to attack with.
Date Posted: Sun Jul/04/10 at 2:15pm

wurtnik
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If Sovereigns of Lost Alara are out, and you attack with a lone creature attaching Eldrazi Conscription to it, is the creature already counted as attacking (to attach the aura), and the annihilator not triggered on the turn that the sovs attach the aura?
Date Posted: Sun Jul/04/10 at 6:38pm

scottymandingo
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In my opinion, it wouldn't work. The annihilator triggers when you declare it attacking, which you already did. I may be wrong about this though haha
Date Posted: Sun Jul/04/10 at 6:40pm

scottymandingo
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This is going to sound bad, but I just need reassurance. Can an artifact's ability be used the same turn it came into play? Basically, are artifacts affected by summoning sickness?
Date Posted: Sun Jul/04/10 at 6:46pm

wurtnik
Posts: 342
Joined: 08-May-10

only artifact creatures are affected by ss, all other can be tapped the turn they came in, unless you have march of the machines out and they count as creatures.
Date Posted: Sun Jul/04/10 at 7:56pm

shakii23
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Just to make it clear... Only creatures are affected by summoning sickness.
No matter what additional permanent type (artifact, enchantment, Planeswalker/Land) it has, as long as it is a creature, it is affected by summoning sickness unless of course it has haste...
Date Posted: Mon Jul/05/10 at 3:11am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

All permanents have summoning sickness - only creatures are affected by this though.

The main reason this is important is in the case of 'animating' permanents.

e.g. you play a Treetop Village (this example assumes you have a way of untapping it, e.g. Amulet of Vigor). It has summoning sickness but doesn't care because it's a land so you can tap it for mana without any problem.

However, if you then use it's ability to become a creature, it cannot attack or tap for mana due to summoning sickness.
Date Posted: Tue Jul/06/10 at 8:25pm

lin sivvi
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"All permanents have summoning sickness - only creatures are affected by this though."

Not quite true, only creatures have summoning sickness, but to check if a creature is affected by summoning sickness, it checks to see if the permanent has been in play the whole turn.

This doesn't matter to the game play, just nit-picking.
Date Posted: Tue Jul/06/10 at 10:49pm

shakii23
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How about this one:

What echoing truth does is return all non-land permanents of the same name, right? what if this happens, a player plays Life and Limb which turns forest into sapro-forest and saprolings into sapro-forest... are the saprolings legal targets for echoing truth or not legal due to it having a basic land type? Will it also return all forest to owner's hand if the sapros are legal targets?


[Edited by shakii23 on 6/Jul/10 at 10:51PM]
Date Posted: Wed Jul/07/10 at 5:59am

Zark-the-Damned
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Saprolings would no longer be legal targets, as they are now lands. If however there was another permanent named Saproling which didn't actually have the Saproling Creature type you could target that one - Echoing Truth only cares about it's target not being a land, not any permanents sharing the name (so for instance, you can use Ameboid Changeling to remove all creature types from a Saproling Token and then target that one with Echoing Truth to bounce all permanents named 'Saproling').

EDIT: Just read the last part of your post - the above would not affect Forests, as they have a different name. But see below:

Echoing Truth is hilarious when combined with _____ from Unhinged since you can target him and change his name during the resolution of the ability (a special part of _____'s ability) to any permanent. For example, change his name to 'Forest' :D

[Edited by Zark-the-Damned on 7/Jul/10 at 6:01AM]
Date Posted: Wed Jul/07/10 at 11:09pm

shakii23
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Very Hilarious... i must admit that it is fun to see...
Date Posted: Thu Jul/08/10 at 12:25pm

scottymandingo
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I'm pretty sure I haven't asked this already hahaha

What happens when an indestructible creature blocks a creature with trample? For example, I block an Avatar of Might with a Stuffy Doll. I know the Stuffy Doll won't die, so could it take all of the damage? Or, does it just take the one damage since it's a 0/1 and the rest goes through?
Date Posted: Thu Jul/08/10 at 7:24pm

shakii23
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Unfortunately, only 1 damage (or how much damage is needed to be lethal [lethal meaning equal to stuffy dolls toughness which by default is 1.]) will be dealt to stuffy... then the other damage is dealt to you of course...
Date Posted: Thu Jul/08/10 at 9:00pm

scottymandingo
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Damn, thanks.
Date Posted: Thu Jul/08/10 at 9:02pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
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So, I'm messing around with the idea of a Zombie deck. Is there a black card that's a permanent that will let me return two or more cards from my graveyard to my hand? I thought there was a card that did that. I want to use something like that in conjunction with Zombie Infestation. I want to be able to generate lots of 2/2 Zombies every turn.
Date Posted: Thu Jul/08/10 at 9:15pm

Twogunkid
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macabre waltz or death denied, but if its zombies the lord of the undead will do it for you. [Edited by Twogunkid on 8/Jul/10 at 9:16PM]

Post it. My zombie deck was the first of my modern good decks and a tournament winner in onsluaght days.


[Edited by Twogunkid on 8/Jul/10 at 9:17PM]
Date Posted: Thu Jul/08/10 at 9:20pm

scottymandingo
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I'm not quite done with it yet. Also, I was looking for permanents like enchantments or a creature. Soul Stair Expedition is close, but after I remove the counters, I have to sac it. I need something that stays in play so that I can keep making 2/2 zombie tokens. If I can get a combo like that to work, then Zombie Infestation is going in. But, if I can't make a combo out of it, I might take it out.

EDIT: Just saw the Lord of the Undead suggestion. Yeah, that's definitely going in. The only thing is that I can only bring one back a turn. Just looking for something faster haha :)


[Edited by scottymandingo on 8/Jul/10 at 9:22PM]
Date Posted: Fri Jul/09/10 at 2:29am

shakii23
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Try Zombie Bidding... LOL...
Date Posted: Fri Jul/09/10 at 8:11pm

scottymandingo
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Zombie Bidding? I'm guessing the LOL at the end is a joke that I don't understand haha
Date Posted: Sat Jul/10/10 at 10:17pm

scottymandingo
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What happens when you attack with, say, a 0/1, but it has an ability that triggers when it attacks and isn't blocked? Would the ability still trigger if it wasn't blocked? Example: Swamp Mosquito.


[Edited by scottymandingo on 10/Jul/10 at 10:17PM]
Date Posted: Sun Jul/11/10 at 12:58am

shakii23
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Of course... it satisfies the condition so yeah it will trigger...
Date Posted: Sun Jul/11/10 at 1:41am

scottymandingo
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Date Posted: Sun Jul/11/10 at 6:58pm

shakii23
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