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Title: Answers 3
Date Posted: Wed Jun/02/10 at 5:31pm

Overlord
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Joined: 28-Apr-10

Can we use a new thread for questions? The previous one is getting really long.

Question: If you had bazaar trader out and played mark of mutiny (or any other red temporary control card) on a creature your opponent controls, and you gave back the stolen creature (using bazaar trader) immediately before your turn ended, what would happen?

Also, if  you played berserk on kiln fiend, whose effect resolves first? Is it +3/+0 then double the kiln's power or the other way around?
Date Posted: Wed Jun/02/10 at 5:40pm

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

1. Bazaar Trader Question.

Mark of Mutiny sets up a control change effect which wears off at the beginning of the next end step. This will happen regardless of any other control change effects.

Bazaar Trader sets up an indefinite control change effect. Assuming this is done after the Mark of Mutiny, this effect will override the Mutiny's effect. If it is done before the mark of Mutiny effect, Mutiny will override the Trader's effect until it wears off, then you revert back to the Trader's control change effect. You apply the control changes in timestamp order.

In the case of your example, giving the creature back to your opponent before the initial effect ends won't really achieve anything.

A far better use is to cast Mark of Mutiny on an opponent's creature, then use the Trader to give control of it to yourself, you will get to keep the creature.

2. Berserk on Kiln Fiend - the fiend gets the bonus before Beserk resolves. When you play Beserk, it goes on the stack. Kiln Fiend's ability then triggers, and goes on the stack on top of Berserk, so will resolve first. This is also the case with cards like Soul's Fire etc.
Date Posted: Wed Jun/02/10 at 5:43pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Wow MTG did a loose interpretation with the trader's ability.

[Edited by Twogunkid on 2/Jun/10 at 5:43PM]
Date Posted: Wed Jun/02/10 at 5:44pm

Overlord
Posts: 22
Joined: 28-Apr-10

Can anyone name other cards that have "donate" effects? For example: bazaar trader and donate (duh).
Date Posted: Wed Jun/02/10 at 5:50pm

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

'Steal' cards: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?text=+[%22gain%20control%20of%20target%22]

'Donate' cards: http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?text=+[%22gains%20control%22]

Sadly most of the Donate type effects are very conditional, e.g.

'At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player gains control of Risky Move.

When you gain control of Risky Move from another player, choose a creature you control and an opponent. Flip a coin. If you lose the flip, that opponent gains control of that creature.'
Date Posted: Wed Jun/02/10 at 5:50pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

political trickery (lands only) cultural exchange (creatures) shifting borders (lands again)
Date Posted: Fri Jun/04/10 at 10:31pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

Can a creature that is indestructible be killed by wither? The reason I'm thinking it can is because (I believe... I'm not too sure on this either) wither is a non-destroy state-based effect.
Date Posted: Fri Jun/04/10 at 11:28pm

gericault5
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yes a indestrictuble creature can be destroyed by wither, the reason being is not so much, as wither is a non destroy state based effect , but more simply a creature can not exist with 0 toughness.
Date Posted: Tue Jun/08/10 at 8:52am

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Quick question on storm:
Copies of spells count towards the spells cast that turn right?
this came up on a different thread
Date Posted: Tue Jun/08/10 at 11:59am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

no, copies are just placed on the stack as a result of a spells or ability effect, they are not cast so do not count toward your storm count.
Date Posted: Tue Jun/08/10 at 12:27pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Oh!
Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 6:20pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
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is there a card that when it comes into play allows you to attach  an enchant creature to it?
Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 6:27pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

Yeah, there's Academy Researchers and Auratouched Mage. Those are ones I can think of off the top of my head.

EDIT: Iridescent Drake.

[Edited by scottymandingo on 10/Jun/10 at 6:30PM]
Date Posted: Thu Jun/10/10 at 6:47pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Well done Scotty
Date Posted: Fri Jun/11/10 at 1:28pm

Turbine
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What is the 5 cost enchantment card that returns a creature to play if it would die?
Date Posted: Fri Jun/11/10 at 1:33pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

fool's demise but false demise does it for 3 if you don't need it back
Date Posted: Fri Jun/11/10 at 1:34pm

Turbine
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I found it on Gatherer as soon as you said it. . .

Thanks anyways though.
Date Posted: Fri Jun/11/10 at 3:56pm

Twogunkid
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Joined: 22-Jan-10

alright if I have out deathgreeter and someone attacks with a creature equipped with the worldslayer wiping the board does the deathgreeter's ability trigger? Do I choose the order my creatures die? Is it all simultanius so I get the benifit for each other creature? Or is it all simultanus so I get no benifit?
Date Posted: Fri Jun/11/10 at 4:02pm

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

The creatures all 'see' each other go to the graveyard at the same time, so yes, Deathgreeter will trigger for each other creature that dies. That's potentially a lot of life!
Date Posted: Fri Jun/11/10 at 4:26pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

so things like Sek'kuar, Deathkeeper  and hissing iguanar would also trigger
Date Posted: Fri Jun/11/10 at 4:26pm

Twogunkid
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so things like Sek'kuar, Deathkeeper  and hissing iguanar would also trigger
Date Posted: Fri Jun/11/10 at 5:21pm

Pal-of-Lim-Dul
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Joined: 24-May-10

Appearently they trigger twice...
Date Posted: Fri Jun/11/10 at 7:33pm

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Yes, those other creatures would trigger. Any creature with 'whenever a creature goes to the graveyard' on an ability will trigger once for each creature that is destroyed (note Deathgreeter doesn't count itself because it says 'another creature'.

Not sure where you're getting the 'triggers twice' thing from, Lim-Dul...
Date Posted: Fri Jun/11/10 at 7:39pm

Twogunkid
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it was cuz of my accidental double post. Thanks Zark
Date Posted: Fri Jun/11/10 at 10:22pm

lin sivvi
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Joined: 14-Jan-10

Lol
Date Posted: Sat Jun/12/10 at 10:58am

Turbine
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Joined: 26-Oct-09

What is a green, white or blue card that benefits from a higher X cost?
Date Posted: Sat Jun/12/10 at 12:56pm

lin sivvi
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[Edited by Mageta on 16/Jun/10 at 6:07PM]
Date Posted: Sat Jun/12/10 at 8:58pm

Ephemerance
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Joined: 18-Jun-09

"If [bazaar trader] is done before the mark of Mutiny effect, Mutiny will override the Trader's effect until it wears off"

I don't see how that would work considering you couldn't legally target the creature until it was under your control. If you use the trader's ability, it lasts indefinitely even if you were to cast another mutiny afterwards.
Date Posted: Sat Jun/12/10 at 9:37pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

he was saying in a case where you control the creature in question.

Also to turbine, I cleared the cards you were looking for, tell me if you want them back.


[Edited by Mageta on 16/Jun/10 at 6:09PM]
Date Posted: Mon Jun/14/10 at 12:56am

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

If a creature such as Pit Scorpion has Viridian Longbow attached to it and I ping a player with it, do they get a poison counter?
Date Posted: Mon Jun/14/10 at 3:31am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

Yes Pit Scorpion or Marsh Viper would cause poison counters to go on the player because they trigger when damage is dealt (unlike creatures with "venomous" that trigger when combat damage is dealt).
Date Posted: Mon Jun/14/10 at 3:33pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Yeah, you have to read the exact text.
Date Posted: Tue Jun/15/10 at 11:09am

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

is there  a card that gives spells buyback, and what is the card that reduces all buyback costs by 2?
Date Posted: Tue Jun/15/10 at 11:24am

Icuonuez
Posts: 241
Joined: 02-Mar-10

Memory Crystal reduces buyback cost. There isn't a card that I know of that gives spells buyback.
Date Posted: Tue Jun/15/10 at 8:43pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

If there is such a card, that would make Dark Ritual or any other mana producing spells produce infinite mana... And if such a card exist there would already be a combo posted involving that card at this site...
Date Posted: Tue Jun/15/10 at 8:55pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I know of no card that gives buyback
Date Posted: Tue Jun/15/10 at 9:07pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

oh well fool's dream I guess. Now who will help me find the lost incan city of gold? Followed by a trip to the fountain of youth, afterwhich we will discover the Northwest passage.
Date Posted: Tue Jun/15/10 at 9:13pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

The Northwest Passage is easily found. Just go through the rabbit hole in Wonderland.
Date Posted: Wed Jun/16/10 at 1:31pm

SteveK
Posts: 161
Joined: 16-Mar-10

Simple question, Does Quest for ancients secrets get put into the graveyard before you shuffle the graveyard into the library. I thought so since you have to sac it then the ability triggers. Thanks guys.
Date Posted: Wed Jun/16/10 at 1:55pm

Turbine
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I believe that the Quest would go to the graveyard first, because it is the cost of the ability.
Date Posted: Wed Jun/16/10 at 6:10pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

Yep
Date Posted: Sun Jun/20/10 at 11:16pm

SteveK
Posts: 161
Joined: 16-Mar-10

Lol thanks again guys. I love being right and not haveing to totally change my deck around lol.
Date Posted: Sun Jun/20/10 at 11:40pm

SteveK
Posts: 161
Joined: 16-Mar-10

can you enchant a creature you control with shroud? i dont think so just checking.
Date Posted: Sun Jun/20/10 at 11:44pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

If it already has shroud, no you can't target it even with your own spells.
Date Posted: Sun Jun/20/10 at 11:50pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

This may have been answered and sorry if it has been, but is leveling up an activated ability?
Date Posted: Mon Jun/21/10 at 12:06am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

yes it is however unlike other activated abilities can only be played when you can play a socery
Date Posted: Mon Jun/21/10 at 12:14am

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

Sweet. Thanks.
Date Posted: Mon Jun/21/10 at 12:18am

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

So, I tried to find the "Forgotten Cards" topic, but wasn't able to find it. I'm pretty sure this card was in a somewhat recent topic. It was black and it did something to the effect of when an opponent plays a creature spell, they lose 1 life. Anybody know what that is?
Date Posted: Mon Jun/21/10 at 12:44am

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

Blood Seeker
Date Posted: Mon Jun/21/10 at 12:48am

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

Thank you!
Date Posted: Mon Jun/21/10 at 2:03am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Blood seeker should be an assassin... Look at that art...
Date Posted: Mon Jun/21/10 at 6:18pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

if I have multiple lighthouse chronologists out do I get to take multiple turns at the end of a turn that is mine? Like at the end of my opponent's turn do I take two extra turns if I have two out and then my own or do I only get one and then my own?
Date Posted: Mon Jun/21/10 at 7:33pm

lin sivvi
Posts: 1608
Joined: 14-Jan-10

You would get two extra turns (three total including you normal one) if you had two out.

Reason: they trigger during a step, so one wouldn't interupt the other.  Is says "After this turn."
Date Posted: Mon Jun/21/10 at 10:22pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

would condemn trigger before anhilator?
Date Posted: Mon Jun/21/10 at 10:40pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

no annilator triggers when the attacker is declared, which occurs before you get priority to play a spell
Date Posted: Tue Jun/22/10 at 12:58am

ARCANIS
Posts: 86
Joined: 22-Feb-10

Is using Mind Over Matter's discarding ability good to put the discarded cards on top of your library with Library of Leng?
Date Posted: Tue Jun/22/10 at 1:03am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

I think the discard from Mind over matter is a cost and not an effect, as the Library of Leng says...

Mind Over MatterLibrary of Leng

These are the rulings for Library of Leng:


Rulings































































10/4/2004 This effect has no effect on the cards being put into the graveyard from a library, because they are not "discarded".
10/4/2004 You
can't use the Library of Leng ability to place a discarded card on top
of your library when you discard a card as a cost, because costs aren't
effects.
10/4/2004 The discard triggers anything else that triggers on discards.
10/4/2004 You can look at a randomly discarded card before deciding where it goes.
10/4/2004 The
ability applies any time a spell or ability has you discard as part of
its effect. It does not matter if you or your opponent control the
spell or ability. The discard is forced because it is an effect.
10/4/2004 If
more than one card is discarded due to a single effect, the Library
allows you to decide whether or not to use it on each of the cards. You
get to decide the order the cards are placed on the library if more
than one goes there.
10/4/2004 Since
the card goes directly to the library, the card is not revealed unless
the spell or ability requiring the discard specifically says it is.
10/4/2004 The
ability replaces the normal discard action with a discard action that
puts the card on the library instead of the graveyard.
10/1/2009 If
multiple effects modify your hand size, apply them in timestamp order.
For example, if you put Null Profusion (an enchantment that says your
maximum hand size is two) onto the battlefield and then put Library of
Leng onto the battlefield, you'll have no maximum hand size. However,
if those permanents entered the battlefield in the opposite order, your
maximum hand size would be two.



[Edited by shakii23 on 22/Jun/10 at 1:04AM]
Date Posted: Tue Jun/22/10 at 2:11am

shakii23
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How about if i cast Hypnox and then before the triggered ability resolves, i target Hypnox with momentary blink... will the hand of cards exiled from Hypnox return to its owner's hand?
Date Posted: Tue Jun/22/10 at 3:24am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
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Will you gain double the life you normally gain from lifelink if there are two instances of lifelink exist in a creature?

Ex: If let's say white knight has a Loxodon Warhammer equipped and enchanted with Lifelink-giving aura, would its controller gain 10 life (White Knight becomes 5/2 with trample and lifelink (and if possible another lifelink))...
Date Posted: Tue Jun/22/10 at 3:34am

shakii23
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Joined: 08-Sep-09

Does playing the facedown cost of a creature with morph included in the Aluren or the CMC of the creature is the basis for Aluren?
Date Posted: Tue Jun/22/10 at 3:43am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

1: Hypnox - yes, you are correct. When Hypnox ETB it's 'enters the battlefield' trigger goes on the stack. If you remove it in response to the ability, it's 'return cards' ability goes on the stack on top of the 'remove cards' ability. When the return cards ability resolves, there is nothing to be returned.

2: Multiple lifelink instances are redundant - it used to be the case that they stacked, but no longer. Note this only applies to the lifelink ability, cards like Spirit Link are still triggered abilities and also apply.

3: You can't use Aluren to play creatures face down. Just checked the ruling, you can only use one alternate method of playing a spell (409.1b)
Date Posted: Tue Jun/22/10 at 7:09am

wurtnik
Posts: 342
Joined: 08-May-10

If I cast Jace the Mind Sculptor, when it enters the battlefield can my opponent lightning bolt it before he uses his ability? (he casts it in response to it hitting the battlefield.

Planeswalker abilities can only be activated when you could play a sorcery, but as it's my go and i have priority can i still use his ability before my opponent gets the chance to use the bolt?
Date Posted: Tue Jun/22/10 at 7:30am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
Joined: 24-Feb-10

Assuming it is your turn, then yes, you regain priority immediately after Jace resolves and can use one of his abilities.

(The active player gains priority immediately after something on the stack resolves)
Date Posted: Tue Jun/22/10 at 8:06am

wurtnik
Posts: 342
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Thanks zark.
Date Posted: Wed Jun/23/10 at 6:01pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
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Is there a card that gives all creatures you control the ability to create spores?
Date Posted: Wed Jun/23/10 at 6:03pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
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thelon of havenwood. I assume you mean spore counters. Also sporesower thallid or use sporloth ancient for further speed.
Date Posted: Wed Jun/23/10 at 6:07pm

scottymandingo
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Those don't give all my creatures the ability to generate spore counters. I mean, a card that gives my creatures the ability to create spore counters if they are not Fungus, Thallid, etc.
Date Posted: Wed Jun/23/10 at 6:11pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
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no but you can use artificial evolution to change it or use conspiracy sporesower sporloth ancient
Date Posted: Wed Jun/23/10 at 6:18pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
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Well, my idea is using something that easily creates 1/1 tokens and is really cheap, throwing it in my Sliver deck and using Hivestone. I just need something that can easily and quickly produce 1/1 tokens. That's why I thought there might be a card that gave all creatures I control the ability to create spore counters. Then, I could use something like Sporoloth Ancient so then all my Slivers are generating spore counters and I'm pumping out 1/1 Slivers, which in turn would exponentially increase every time a new 1/1 comes into play.


[Edited by scottymandingo on 23/Jun/10 at 6:19PM]
Date Posted: Wed Jun/23/10 at 6:44pm

scottymandingo
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It looks like I could do that with Artificial Evolution on Sporesower. I would just change it from Fungus to Sliver. I thought Artificial Evolutions effect only lasted until the end of that turn. Nice!
Date Posted: Wed Jun/23/10 at 7:41pm

shakii23
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Nope Artificial Evo lasts indefinitely... How about Selesnya token generators? Or elves? Or maybe a combo for infinite tokens perhaps?
Date Posted: Wed Jun/23/10 at 8:00pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

Hook it up Shakii! :)

Yeah, it doesn't really matter what creature type or whatever. Any type would do.


[Edited by scottymandingo on 23/Jun/10 at 8:01PM]
Date Posted: Wed Jun/23/10 at 10:31pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Where can I buy Ferrofluid?
Date Posted: Wed Jun/23/10 at 10:54pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
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one of my art teachers got some on ebay, good size bottle for about 100
Date Posted: Wed Jun/23/10 at 11:37pm

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

What does it do?
Date Posted: Thu Jun/24/10 at 3:04am

shakii23
Posts: 5711
Joined: 08-Sep-09

Can Darksteel Colossus' "would be put into a graveyard from anywhere" ability be stiffled?
Date Posted: Thu Jun/24/10 at 4:08am

Zark-the-Damned
Posts: 523
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Nope, Darksteel Colossus' shuffle ability is a replacement effect (the indicator is the 'instead'), not an activated or triggered ability.
Date Posted: Thu Jun/24/10 at 7:54pm

shakii23
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Oh ok... I was thinking about entomb, stifle, exhume in my head... So Serra Avatar is the best creature for that... Hmmmm...
Date Posted: Sun Jun/27/10 at 6:13am

wurtnik
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you could do it with emrakal.
Date Posted: Sun Jun/27/10 at 7:41pm

shakii23
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Joined: 08-Sep-09

Yup pretty much every creature in eldrazi...



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