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Title: Ameria, the Sky Ruin / Worldqueller / Yosei
Date Posted: Fri May/21/10 at 6:25pm

Skybreak22
Posts: 327
Joined: 01-Feb-10

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I need to know how the relationship between these cards would work.....

1 : If I have a 7-plains Sky Ruin and World Queller in play together, I would assume that I choose the order in which they trigger at my upkeep, correct?  Therefore allowing me to pull Yosei from the graveyard, then sacrifice Yosei to the World Queller's ability....?

2:  If I have a 7-Plains Sky Ruin but World Queller is in my graveyard.....I return the World Queller via the Sky Ruin.....since it is technically still at the beginning of my upkeep when that occurs, would the World Queller's ability also trigger immediately upon coming into play? Or does it wait until the following upkeep? This is the one that is kinda important for me to know....

3 :  At the beginning of my upkeep, can I trigger the World Queller to sacrifice himself, then return him to play when the Sky Ruin triggers behind it?  

If the ruling on #2 says the World Queller triggers, then #3 would create an endless loop until all creatures were sacrificed "at the beginning of my upkeep"....the only way to stop the cycle is to eventually choose not to return the World Queller so it's ability would not trigger.
I neeeeeeeeeeeeeeed to know.
Date Posted: Fri May/21/10 at 6:27pm

Skybreak22
Posts: 327
Joined: 01-Feb-10

Ok, something was trippin when i posted this.....the pics were supposed to be included.
Date Posted: Fri May/21/10 at 6:37pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I would think that you would be right on all 3 accounts.
Date Posted: Fri May/21/10 at 6:45pm

Skybreak22
Posts: 327
Joined: 01-Feb-10

And it just occurred to me that #3 wouldn't be an endless loop.....the Sky Ruin still would only trigger once at my upkeep.  However, it poses a new question.....

4 :  If I have multiple Sky Ruins in play, would I be able to trigger the World Queller to itself, then trigger the 1st Sky ruin to return it to play, trigger the "new" World Queller to itself, then trigger the 2nd Sky Ruin.......then trigger the "new new" World Queller....???
Date Posted: Fri May/21/10 at 6:48pm

Twogunkid
Posts: 2609
Joined: 22-Jan-10

Yes because he does eneter play and therefore hits the graveyard
Date Posted: Fri May/21/10 at 6:48pm

Turbine
Posts: 10194
Joined: 26-Oct-09

No, because you only have 1 Worldqueller.
Date Posted: Fri May/21/10 at 7:23pm

Skybreak22
Posts: 327
Joined: 01-Feb-10

#2 is the important one.......If the resurrected World Queller becomes part of the "at the beginning of your upkeep" process, and doesn't have to wait until the following upkeep to trigger.......it makes #4 possible.

Beginning of my upkeep:  2 Sky Ruin and World Queller in play....

World Queller triggers, calls "creature" , saccing to itself......my opponent sacs a creature.
Sky Ruin #1 triggers, returning WQ to play which is allowed to trigger....
World Queller triggers, calls "creature", saccing to itself......my opponent sacs a creature.
Sky Ruin #2 triggers, returning WQ again, which is allowed to trigger.....
World Queller triggers, calls "planeswalker".......my opponent sacs Jace, Mind Sculptor.

Repeat at the beginning of my next upkeep....
Date Posted: Fri May/21/10 at 8:47pm

gericault5
Posts: 2788
Joined: 13-Oct-09

#1:  yes both triggers go on the stack at the same time so you choose the order you put them on, so first put world queller, then sky ruin, ruin resolves first bringing back yosui, then world resolves allowing you to sac yosui

#2:  not, the time to put world's trigger on the sac has already passed, beginning of upkeep only happens 1 time and that is before anyone has priority, youu need to wait to next upkeep

#3:  yes, just do the opposite of number 1 sky ruin first then world queller, sac queller to its ability, then it is in the graveyard when ruin resolves so it can be brought back, though it is not an infinite loop do to number 2

#4:  not possible due to number 2
Date Posted: Fri May/21/10 at 9:19pm

Skybreak22
Posts: 327
Joined: 01-Feb-10

I knew I could count on you, dude.

Ok, I get it. So when the "beginning of your upkeep" occurs, only permanents in play at that moment are seen......so the World Queller has to wait. Although that takes away the loop effect.......it's still good synergy.  I'm gonna give it a try, see how it plays...



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