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Combo Name: Mono-Black 1 turn kill Submitted By: jl995
Card Name
Type
Cost
P/T
Editions (ordered by release)

Karmic Guide
Summon Cleric 3WW 2 / 2 Urza's Legacy, Rare Commander 2013, Rare

Buried Alive
Sorcery 2B Weatherlight, Uncommon Odyssey, Uncommon Commander, Uncommon

Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker
Legendary Creature - Goblin Shaman 2RRR 2/2 Champions of Kamigawa, Rare

Dark Ritual
Mana Source B Alpha, Common Beta, Common Unlimited, Common Revised, Common 4th Edition, Common Ice Age, Common Mirage, Common 5th Edition, Common Tempest, Common Urza's Saga, Common Mercadian Masques, Common

Reanimate
Sorcery B Tempest, Uncommon

Pestermite
Creature - Faerie Rogue 2U 2/1 Lorwyn, Common
Estimated Combo Cost: $25.60
Date Posted: Thu Oct/07/10 at 5:16 pm

jl995
Posts: 0
Joined: 07-Oct-10

Swamp, double Dark Ritual, Buried Alive, targeting Karmic Guide, Kiki-Jiki, & Pestermite, cast Reanimate on Karmic Guide, use the activated ability on Kiki-Jiki, tap Kiki-Jiki on Karmic Guide, returning Pestermite, untapping Kiki-Jiki, then put infinite amount of Pestermite into play and win.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/07/10 at 5:20pm

Gregorius
Posts: 410
Joined: 01-Aug-10

Let me be the first to say (since I get a lot of grief when I claim things like this) that this is not mono-black. It doesn't matter if you only used a Swamp to put it out there, it's still not mono-black since it has a red, blue and white creature in there.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/07/10 at 8:15pm

Turbine
Posts: 10190
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I disagree. This is mono-black, because it only uses black mana.
Date Posted: Thu Oct/07/10 at 10:25pm

gericault5
Posts: 2727
Joined: 13-Oct-09

yes other wise hybrid cards wouldn't be played in mono decks.  its all about the mana that is used to play anything.  also this is typical reanimator you use the best creatures the differant colors offer but can't play them from hand
Date Posted: Fri Oct/08/10 at 9:26am

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

not mono black.  hybrid cards can be considered mono black because they are black and/OR white cards.  karmic guide is a white card, kiki jiki is red.  still a nifty combo, just not mono black :)
Date Posted: Fri Oct/08/10 at 12:55pm

Turbine
Posts: 10190
Joined: 26-Oct-09

It only uses black mana, so I believe that it would be mono-black.
Date Posted: Fri Oct/08/10 at 3:50pm

JMDin83
Posts: 880
Joined: 30-Jul-09

you would believe incorrectly. mono-black implies there are NO NONBLACK CARDS.  not mana source.

its like saying you tap a Leaden Myr for a swamp.  just cuz it makes black mana, doesnt make it a swamp.
Date Posted: Fri Oct/08/10 at 4:29pm

Turbine
Posts: 10190
Joined: 26-Oct-09

So, is a Leaden Myr in a blue combo not mono-blue.
Date Posted: Fri Oct/08/10 at 9:19pm

MegaDuce
Posts: 71
Joined: 30-Aug-10

I think that he means any colored cards that are non black. Artifacts and colorless should be fine.
Date Posted: Fri Oct/08/10 at 9:29pm

shamwow
Posts: 56
Joined: 26-Mar-10

I don't think it would technically be considered mono black but I would think of it as mono black anyways.
Date Posted: Sat Oct/09/10 at 10:08am

Turbine
Posts: 10190
Joined: 26-Oct-09

There are no technical terms on this topic. . .
Date Posted: Sat Oct/09/10 at 1:51pm

d-roc314
Posts: 66
Joined: 22-Nov-09

the combo still works with just black mana.  I dont know if it would be considered mono or not but the fact is,  the combo still works with just black mana.  I dont think the name changes anything.

I mostly play EDH.  I know for a fact that if you have a mono black deck in edh then you cant even have any other color cards in the deck.  If the general is black then all cards have to be black.  But that has nothing to do with anything in other formats.


[Edited by d-roc314 on 9/Oct/10 at 1:55PM]
Date Posted: Sat Oct/09/10 at 4:19pm

Turbine
Posts: 10190
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I was just talking about mono-black altogether.
Date Posted: Sat Oct/09/10 at 7:27pm

scottymandingo
Posts: 845
Joined: 13-Jul-09

The combo. is mono-black because it only uses black mana. It would not be a mono-black deck.
Date Posted: Sat Oct/09/10 at 7:56pm

Turbine
Posts: 10190
Joined: 26-Oct-09

I agree.
Date Posted: Sat Oct/09/10 at 10:49pm

RedPanda
Posts: 174
Joined: 27-Aug-10

Why don't we just throw a mycosynth lattice in all our combos and call them colorless?
Date Posted: Sun Oct/10/10 at 3:43am

Ephemerance
Posts: 913
Joined: 18-Jun-09

This combination is mono-black in terms of it's mana requirements; it is not mono-black in terms of it's card configuration.



RedPanda brings up a good point and I completely agree, but to play devil's advocate: If we were to refer to a combo only in terms of the minimal amount of cards required to allow the combo to function, the lattice could be excluded in most combos.

Date Posted: Sun Oct/10/10 at 8:33am

Turbine
Posts: 10190
Joined: 26-Oct-09

Well, according to other people, the combo would not be colorless, because there were cards that were other colors.
Date Posted: Sun Oct/10/10 at 9:07am

psyche
Posts: 1250
Joined: 31-Aug-09

There is some valid basis in saying that this combo is not mono black. If it were what is being called mono black requiring only black or colorless cards is true then this isn't mono black. A point is that mono black combos would fit into a mono black deck. If you accept this as a mono black combo, then you put this into a deck with only black cards, and black mana generating cards, you would have dead cards in your deck unless this exact combo came up.
Date Posted: Sun Oct/10/10 at 3:29pm

RedPanda
Posts: 174
Joined: 27-Aug-10

Rather than call it mono... why not just call it a Reanimate combo? I mean, that's the only card you commit mana to...

X, Y, and Z are in the yard. Cast Reanimate. Combo out like so... Etc.
P.S. Burried Alive sets it up. Goes off turn 1 with Dark Rituals.

It's a nice combo, but I also think it could be streamlined a bit for the database's sake. You could realistically leave out half the pieces and have the same combo.
Date Posted: Sun Oct/10/10 at 6:28pm

Turbine
Posts: 10190
Joined: 26-Oct-09

How?
Date Posted: Sun Jan/29/12 at 7:01pm

plahbrogan
Posts: 2
Joined: 29-Jan-12

not only is this not mono black but it isn't a turn one win
Date Posted: Sun Jan/29/12 at 7:42pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

"Let me be the first to say (since I get a lot of grief when I claim things like this) that this is not mono-black"

"Rather than call it mono..."

"There is some valid basis in saying that this combo is not mono black. If it were what is being called mono black requiring only black or colorless cards is true then this isn't mono black. A point is that mono black combos would fit into a mono black deck. If you accept this as a mono black combo, then you put this into a deck with only black cards, and black mana generating cards, you would have dead cards in your deck unless this exact combo came up."

"This combination is mono-black in terms of it's mana requirements; it is not mono-black in terms of it's card configuration."

"not mono black."

It also IS turn one win! Good job!

EDIT: Also, dont necro!

[Edited by PinkamenaDianePie on 29/Jan/12 at 7:43PM]
Date Posted: Mon Jan/30/12 at 5:31am

plahbrogan
Posts: 2
Joined: 29-Jan-12

how does it do damage to the other player?

Date Posted: Mon Jan/30/12 at 6:47am

gericault5
Posts: 2727
Joined: 13-Oct-09

You attack with the inifinate pestermites
Date Posted: Mon Jan/30/12 at 12:13pm

PinkiePie
Posts: 157
Joined: 10-Sep-11

"tap Kiki-Jiki on Karmic Guide, returning Pestermite,
untapping Kiki-Jiki, then put infinite amount of Pestermite into play
and win."



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